Mitch/Foles prop

Valuist

EOG Dedicated
#1
Was in the car this morning and heard VSIN for the first time in about two weeks. They talked about a prop wager who would start week 1 (IF there is a NFL season) at QB for the Bears. They had Foles listed as a minus 200 favorite.

This has nothing to do with who is better, or who would win more games. To be back for the 2021 season, GM Pace needs to not only win, but win WITH Trubisky as the QB, with him being a major contributor. Pace's future has been riding on that decision to deal three picks to move up 1 slot before the 2017 draft. Foles may end up starting more games, but is no lock. But minus 200 is a terrible bet for Foles. While I'm no fan of Mitch, if I see him at plus 150 or 160, that's a definite wager.
 
#4
Hard to predict, but I would guess therapies will be in place by then to at least have some proven outcomes, and see them making some sort of mask required to sit in the stands. Saw also, like MLB, 2-4 stadiums.
 

TheGuesser

EOG Dedicated
#7
Foles comes in from the Bullpen if needed. That's how he works best. Unless Mitch is hurt, or totally shits the bed in the exhibitions(if they play them), I'd expect Mitch to start, but be on a VERY short leash.
 
#9
To try and save a little bit of face from the horrible trade and draft pick the Bears will allow Trubisky to begin the season as starter in my opinion

To do otherwise would be a complete public admission of their own stupidity

If the Bears go the other route I will applaud the front office boldness
 

Valuist

EOG Dedicated
#12
i can't see mich at QB over foles.. but it could start that way but i would not bet it
If GM wants to keep his job, he has to start Mitch, and Mitch has to play well. Foles is a 2 hit wonder. Looked real good in 2013 and the playoff run up thru the Super Bowl. But the rest of his career? Not very good. Am I saying Mitch is better? No. But there's a sliver of a chance he still can improve. And that's Pace's only shot to stay in the league, IMO.
 

Valuist

EOG Dedicated
#13
So the Bears decline the 2021 option on Trubisky.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...ecline-fifth-year-option-qb-mitchell-trubisky

Smart move? For the team, sure. For GM Pace? It's an admission that his single biggest move was a failure. Maybe he has a job in 2021 IF he wins 10 games and gets to the playoffs. I'm not even sure about that. Maybe if they do that with Mitch at QB, he could keep his job. Anything less and it's hard to justify keeping him as GM.
 

Valuist

EOG Dedicated
#15
Ironic that four of the top five in that draft didn’t get their deals extended.
I was not aware of that. I know Garrett was extended. I don't understand the thinking on Fournette. Was 1600 yards from scrimmage not enough? I didn't realize Jax had some kind of offensive line for the ages where 1600 rush and receiving yards would be deemed substandard.
 

FairWarning

Bells Beer Connoisseur
#16
I was not aware of that. I know Garrett was extended. I don't understand the thinking on Fournette. Was 1600 yards from scrimmage not enough? I didn't realize Jax had some kind of offensive line for the ages where 1600 rush and receiving yards would be deemed substandard.
Questions about his work ethic. All of these players will land somewhere, just at a cheaper price.
 
#18
What is a good work ethic if there's no results? Fournette provided results. Must be a personality conflict between him and the front office.
I'd say good work ethic isn't a big factor in the first few years, however it plays a big part in longevity and results. I'd use Emmitt Smith and Frank Gore as examples of great work ethic.
 
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FairWarning

Bells Beer Connoisseur
#22
Before we bury Mitch let's not forget Foles has been with 5 teams...
He has enough talent and reasonable salary to be on five more before he retires.

WInky - I think Ramsey will play better this season (if there is one). It is hard to switch teams in the middle of a season. The Rams have made some head-scratching moves in the last couple of seasons.
 

winkyduck

TYVM Morgan William!!!
#25
He has enough talent and reasonable salary to be on five more before he retires.

WInky - I think Ramsey will play better this season (if there is one). It is hard to switch teams in the middle of a season. The Rams have made some head-scratching moves in the last couple of seasons.
Maybe so. But to give up that much when they didn't have a lot left over to begin with and a bad cap situation was a head scratching move. Rams are on the decline and a lack of draft picks doesn't help.
 

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
#26
Trubisky played most of last season with a torn labrum of his non-throwing shoulder.

The Bears finished 2-10 ATS after Trubisky hit the ground in Week 4.

Here's more info from the NFL's website (NFL.com):

Trubisky missed most of Week 4 after suffering the injury and sat out Week 5. He returned but struggled most of the season, completing 63.2 percent of his passes with 17 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. Noticeably, Trubisky ran less in 2019, particularly in the games immediately after suffering the injury.
 
#29
Bears coach Matt Nagy indicated he might make preseason games a tad more interesting than he has the last two seasons.

Nagy severely limited the playing time of his starters during preseason games in 2018 and 2019. But after the Bears declared it an “open competition” between Nick Foles and Mitch Trubisky to be the starting quarterback, Nagy said he could use those games as a measuring stick.

“If we play those four preseason games … that's the best time for us to be able to get the evaluation process going,” Nagy said. “We need to get as many reps as we can to be able to see what they're doing.”
 
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