Nevada Gaming Commission's onerous rules not the only obstacle to some casinos reopening

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https://www.reviewjournal.com/busin...pening-guidelines-dont-go-far-enough-2021517/

For those not familiar, the Culinary Workers Union represents something like of 90% of the rank-and-file employees at the Strip casinos, as well as some others downtown and elsewhere in Nevada. (They have a pretty heavy presence in Laughlin as well. Not sure about Reno.) It is probably the most powerful single labor union in the country when it comes to influencing local and state government policy, and rest assured it will have an outsized influence on how all this winds up going down.

I had heard that it was more or less the union's intent to keep the casinos closed as long as possible. I thought that was odd at first but the more I thought about it, the more it makes sense. Per the terms of the contract, the workers' employment is guaranteed for a substantial amount of time at full pay and benefits in a situation like this. I'm not sure what the exact time horizons are, but it's at least 90 days for the pay, and MUCH longer for the benefits.

If the casinos are still shut when the pay horizon runs out, the employees simply go on the government dole while still collecting their benefits.

In this article, the Culinary takes issue with the following seven-page NGCB document listing the reopening guidelines:

https://gaming.nv.gov/modules/showdocument.aspx?documentid=16731

It then goes on to praise the Wynn's TWENTY-THREE page reopening plan, while still calling it inadequate:

https://ewscripps.brightspotcdn.com/23/a3/e1a1ed3e446f876aeb7707742423/wynn-health-plan.pdf

It then rolls out its own list of demands, some of which would take literally years to develop and implement. To wit:

-"...contactless and cashless tipping systems for guest service providers-such as bellpersons, valets, doorpersons, guest-room attendants and room service attendants-should be provided..."

This one takes the cake though:

"— If COVID-19 has been detected at any time during the preceding 14 days in the state or province where the facility is located, no employee should be compelled to accept work. Any employee electing not to accept work should be considered to be on involuntary layoff. Employers should not challenge applications for unemployment benefits by employees subject to such involuntary layoff. Such employees should be permitted to return to work at any time according to regular scheduling practice."

So let's say it's the summer of 2022 and the virus is largely a memory. I'm a valet attendant at Bellagio and I hear of a single rogue COVID case that popped up 400 miles away in Reno the previous week. I can then refuse to show up to work, go back on the government dole (while still getting my benefits) and go back to work whenever I feel like it.

These are going to be non-starters for these casino companies. This is going to get very, very messy.
 

FairWarning

Bells Beer Connoisseur
I think tipping will go way down as there will be more cashless transactions, especially from apps.

One thing I really hated about Vegas was how everyone either assumed the tip or had a hand out.
 

Valuist

EOG Master
I'm sure there's a number of workers in the culinary union who will be making more money on unemployment with that $600 thrown in. They are in no hurry to get back to work.
 

MrTop

EOG Master
does not seem like they will ever open. 2008 vegas was slow but the wynn was busy as always.
 
I'm sure there's a number of workers in the culinary union who will be making more money on unemployment with that $600 thrown in. They are in no hurry to get back to work.

Even worst, they have been banging the table demanding to be paid until reopening since that's what LVS and Wynn have done. Even non-union Stations has been paying, but now that Stations is letting people go the Culinary is going to say look, that's why unions are needed.
 

cheapseats

EOG Master
I think tipping will go way down as there will be more cashless transactions, especially from apps.

One thing I really hated about Vegas was how everyone either assumed the tip or had a hand out.
They'll likely become automatic to the tab, and "0" will not be a choice.
 

fifty cint

EOG Dedicated
Even worst, they have been banging the table demanding to be paid until reopening since that's what LVS and Wynn have done. Even non-union Stations has been paying, but now that Stations is letting people go the Culinary is going to say look, that's why unions are needed.


Yep.The scabs at Stations are cooked
 
This is just unions doing what unions do . . . creating less work for current members while expanding their rolls to fatten their pockets. No doubt a demand will be for housekeepers to go from 16 rooms to 12 for enhanced cleaning, now we need more housekeepers. More dues paying members = more $ for union leaders. Union leadership still drawing salary while members suffer through Nevada unemployment clusterfuck. Haven't heard a peep from them putting pressure on Sisolak. Culinary union is biggest racket out there.
 
This is just unions doing what unions do . . . creating less work for current members while expanding their rolls to fatten their pockets. No doubt a demand will be for housekeepers to go from 16 rooms to 12 for enhanced cleaning, now we need more housekeepers. More dues paying members = more $ for union leaders. Union leadership still drawing salary while members suffer through Nevada unemployment clusterfuck. Haven't heard a peep from them putting pressure on Sisolak. Culinary union is biggest racket out there.

Most of the laid off people are making more on unemployment (if they got it) than they would allowing the casinos to pay them. They are doing even better considering casinos open now or in the near future would be a tip disaster. That's why the union is putting up road blocks saying we don't want to open right now. Those who aren't called back at first will be the lucky ones provided they get called back by August. Then again I think fair chance the extended unemployment payments continue in the future past July, it's really not that much money compared to the other efforts they are making to pump money out there.
 

mr merlin

EOG Master
Most of the laid off people are making more on unemployment (if they got it) than they would allowing the casinos to pay them. They are doing even better considering casinos open now or in the near future would be a tip disaster. That's why the union is putting up road blocks saying we don't want to open right now. Those who aren't called back at first will be the lucky ones provided they get called back by August. Then again I think fair chance the extended unemployment payments continue in the future past July, it's really not that much money compared to the other efforts they are making to pump money out there.
The extra money that makes unemployment pay more ends in July, after that they would presumably go on regular, which might pay 50% - then they'll want to work.

Lets pray they dont talk trump into an extension of the free money?
 

FairWarning

Bells Beer Connoisseur
Not feeling real good about my July vegas trip.
Yeah, may only be getting half of the Vegas experience. The wearing of masks on the flight would suck also. You may be better off driving to the UP to an indian joint in July, depending on what you play.
 

FairWarning

Bells Beer Connoisseur
The extra money that makes unemployment pay more ends in July, after that they would presumably go on regular, which might pay 50% - then they'll want to work.

Lets pray they dont talk trump into an extension of the free money?
My friends are taking home $950/week unemployment, can't imagine why people wouldn't want to work. They would normally get $350 unemployment.
 

fifty cint

EOG Dedicated
This is just unions doing what unions do . . . creating less work for current members while expanding their rolls to fatten their pockets. No doubt a demand will be for housekeepers to go from 16 rooms to 12 for enhanced cleaning, now we need more housekeepers. More dues paying members = more $ for union leaders. Union leadership still drawing salary while members suffer through Nevada unemployment clusterfuck. Haven't heard a peep from them putting pressure on Sisolak. Culinary union is biggest racket out there.


Go suck on a bowl of cuks
 
To get the $469 in Nevada you only have to be earning something like $58,000/yr. Everyone above it still just gets $469. So a casino employee is probably going to get close to the $469 in Nevada, maybe $350 at the low end. So give or take $1,000 a week until end of July if they are furloughed or unemployed. Meanwhile, when the casino opens up, they get $8.25/hr plus tips if they are at minimum wage. They have to get $17/hr in tips IF they work 40 hours, which almost no dealers do even in good times. These first round of dealers are likely to get closer to 30 hours a week and tips are going to be hard to come by. Same thing for restaurant workers and beverage industry people.

Those in these businesses are basically hoping they keep their place in line, but don't get called back. The casinos are going to call back as few people as possible knowing this and also not knowing how many customers they get day one. The union isn't happy about this because they don't collect dues from those on furlough or unemployment even though those members are in many cases getting more money now than when they were working. Once August rolls around, provided the extra $600 isn't extended past July, we'll get a more accurate view of employee demand for work, casino willingness to open up more and the Union's true stance on all of this.
 

MrTop

EOG Master
Documents have been made public detailing the layoffs of more than 500 workers at the hotel partly owned by President Donald Trump.

In an April letter to the Nevada Department of Employment, Training and Rehabilitation, Trump International Hotel Las Vegas notified officials that 552 workers would temporarily lose their jobs.
 

winkyduck

TYVM Morgan William!!!
They also have one for the Governor. Almost no chance either works out.

Agree. Doubt either happen but more of a chance of the Mayor since that position is largely a "figure head" one that doesn't do much as opposed to the Gov
 
Agree. Doubt either happen but more of a chance of the Mayor since that position is largely a "figure head" one that doesn't do much as opposed to the Gov

Exactly, its a thankless PR job. They could take her out, but no one with governing skills wants it. And I think the vast majority of voters in the city share her view of wanting things open, they just might not share her most extreme views and comments.
 

IWishIWasAPro

EOG Master
Those in these businesses are basically hoping they keep their place in line, but don't get called back. The casinos are going to call back as few people as possible knowing this and also not knowing how many customers they get day one. The union isn't happy about this because they don't collect dues from those on furlough or unemployment even though those members are in many cases getting more money now than when they were working. Once August rolls around, provided the extra $600 isn't extended past July, we'll get a more accurate view of employee demand for work, casino willingness to open up more and the Union's true stance on all of this.

Businesses like casinos wont have any other choice. You can't bring back everyone. Its going to be a complete mess in Vegas.
 

fifty cint

EOG Dedicated
To get the $469 in Nevada you only have to be earning something like $58,000/yr. Everyone above it still just gets $469. So a casino employee is probably going to get close to the $469 in Nevada, maybe $350 at the low end. So give or take $1,000 a week until end of July if they are furloughed or unemployed. Meanwhile, when the casino opens up, they get $8.25/hr plus tips if they are at minimum wage. They have to get $17/hr in tips IF they work 40 hours, which almost no dealers do even in good times. These first round of dealers are likely to get closer to 30 hours a week and tips are going to be hard to come by. Same thing for restaurant workers and beverage industry people.

Those in these businesses are basically hoping they keep their place in line, but don't get called back. The casinos are going to call back as few people as possible knowing this and also not knowing how many customers they get day one. The union isn't happy about this because they don't collect dues from those on furlough or unemployment even though those members are in many cases getting more money now than when they were working. Once August rolls around, provided the extra $600 isn't extended past July, we'll get a more accurate view of employee demand for work, casino willingness to open up more and the Union's true stance on all of this.

I'm pretty sure they would have to keep on paying their Union Dues.The Union gets whats called a check off based on their weekly paycheck.For me its about $40/week.It depends on your income.The dues part I'm pretty sure has to be kept up to date by the individual member
 
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