Old Touts

TheGuesser

EOG Dedicated
Was going though some old stuff, and I found an old paper for a Service Called AUSF Sports Wire, Located in Notre Dame, Indiana. Is there even a town called Notre Dame, or was that part of the scam? I thought they were in South Bend? Anyway it's an old prospector looking guy offering a 40* lock on Feb 18th(don't know the year). It's their solid gold hoops lock of the year. Brought back memories of when my mailbox would be filled with this kind of shit. Haven't heard of them in years, nor Score, Mike Warren, Kelso Sturgeon, Dan Pastorini, Johnny Unitas(yep he had a "service", I think they were all under the Mike Warren(Lasky) banner). Any other old timers have some memories of these long forgotten touts?
 

Sportsrmylife

EOG Master
Looks like wagertalk is expecting some big sales season coming when sports come back.

They announced "signing" Skeeprofit to a long-term deal along with paying Dave Cokin enough money to stop selling at his other sites (will only sell at wagertalk now, yet not sure if he will sell on his own site yet...well he did ask for $5,000 for a baseball season).

Must be some nice monthly salaries for these guys along with a cut of the sales.

Fezzik followed this formula. Have a nice big salary with some of the sales and ride off into the sunset. It is easier to bet sports when you have steady income coming in and your bills are covered.

Touting is only going to get bigger and bigger as more states legalize gambling and newbies are going to look for help after getting their teeth kicked in.

What kind of numbers are we talking? Jimmy The Bag, who was on SBR as a video content creator had a video where he was offered a guaranteed salary of $15,000 per month to join a tout side. He never stated which one but if someone of his knowledge is offered that much there is plenty of money in the market.
 

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
Anyone remember Donn Wagner?

I think he was from Pennsylvania.

He called himself "The Swami" before Chris Berman popularized the nickname.

Donn (with two n's) operated an easy-to-remember website (theswami.com).
 

jimmythegreek

The opening odds start here
Feist was 4-0 in soccer on Wednesday and is 10-3 over the last 5 days. Join now for his opening day annihilator totals play next Thursday, only 19 bucks!
 

texaswizzard

EOG Dedicated
Had a Facetime chat with Joe Wiz maybe two years ago. The guy looked nothing like his picture in the Don Best schedule. He's clearly 100 lbs heavier now than when that picture was taken 15-20 years ago. He was trying to convince me he's different than the rest of the services and he is an information based handicapper. I think he ate the information.
 
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John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
Had a Facetime chat with Joe Wiz maybe two years ago. The guy looked nothing like his picture in the Don Best schedule. He's clearly 100 lbs heavier now than when that picture was taken 15-20 years ago. He was trying to convince me he's different than the rest of the services and he is an information based handicapper. I think he ate the information.


Now there's a true information hog.
 

Sportsrmylife

EOG Master
Feist was 4-0 in soccer on Wednesday and is 10-3 over the last 5 days. Join now for his opening day annihilator totals play next Thursday, only 19 bucks!
Feist on a podcast with lawrence prezman of wagertalk admitted that he made a boatload of money off of the 900 numbers....as in the sexline numbers.

Made a deal with playboy at the time. Then later sold out for several millionaire dollars.

Dave cokin, even though he was a friend of jimmy's and worked for him for many years, had zero idea how feist sold cokin's picks. Dave just handicapped and collected a weekly check.

He had no idea if feist ran a boiler room or not.
 

Sportsrmylife

EOG Master
Had a Facetime chat with Joe Wiz maybe two years ago. The guy looked nothing like his picture in the Don Best schedule. He's clearly 100 lbs heavier now than when that picture was taken 15-20 years ago. He was trying to convince me he's different than the rest of the services and he is an information based handicapper. I think he ate the information.
He is still in business?

Who is buying from him and that terrible looking website of his?

Joe and ross benjamin wont be appearing in any fitness mags in the near future.
 

jimmythegreek

The opening odds start here
I remember the name, his service was called Allegheny Analysis I believe
Right you are kane, and his favorite gimmick was his baseball "grand slam club" where he'd constantly claim he was 67% or better since 1985.
More comical than laughing gas at any dentist.
 

kane

EOG master
Was going though some old stuff, and I found an old paper for a Service Called AUSF Sports Wire, Located in Notre Dame, Indiana. Is there even a town called Notre Dame, or was that part of the scam? I thought they were in South Bend? Anyway it's an old prospector looking guy offering a 40* lock on Feb 18th(don't know the year). It's their solid gold hoops lock of the year. Brought back memories of when my mailbox would be filled with this kind of shit. Haven't heard of them in years, nor Score, Mike Warren, Kelso Sturgeon, Dan Pastorini, Johnny Unitas(yep he had a "service", I think they were all under the Mike Warren(Lasky) banner). Any other old timers have some memories of these long forgotten touts?

I remember all those names you mentioned, Score was out of Boston. When I was a kid and just getting into betting, I remember subscribing to a newsletter from Mike Warren that would give picks on NFL games, he was also on some tout show on TV, anyway one day I'm watching the show and he gives out a pick on a game, but in the newsletter he gave out the other side, I remember thinking WTF, and that was my introduction to the world of touts, so I dumped Warren and started following Wayne Root, he used to host a tout show with Ed "The Professor" Horowitz, can't recall the name of it, but the thing I liked about him was he was a contrarian, he figured if the public loses and the house wins, why not go against the public and with the house, made sense to me, so I tailed whatever he would suggest, I was just a kid with little money so I would bet $25 per game which was the lowest amount my bookie would take. The ironic thing is, all these years later I'm still a contrarian bettor, of course there's more to it than just fading the public, but I've done well through the years being a dog player and contrarian.
 

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
Wasn't He a Former Stardust Invitational Contestant ?


Good memory.

When I told the late Dave Malinsky that Donn Wagner was a contestant in the Stardust Invitational, he glared at me as if I had just committed murder against one of his family members.
 

texaswizzard

EOG Dedicated
One thing I will give Jim Feist credit for is he actually studies games in depth and bets on average a dime or two a game. Not many handicrappers do either.
 

boston massacre

EOG Master
Good memory.

When I told the late Dave Malinsky that Donn Wagner was a contestant in the Stardust Invitational, he glared at me as if I had just committed murder against one of his family members.


Dave was Also a Tout.

Same Profession.

Both Pennsylvania Natives, I Believe.

Maybe Dave Had Some Pictures of Wagner, That He Never Showed Anyone.

Touts are Like A Book of Matches.

All The Same.
 

boston massacre

EOG Master
I remember all those names you mentioned, Score was out of Boston. When I was a kid and just getting into betting, I remember subscribing to a newsletter from Mike Warren that would give picks on NFL games, he was also on some tout show on TV, anyway one day I'm watching the show and he gives out a pick on a game, but in the newsletter he gave out the other side, I remember thinking WTF, and that was my introduction to the world of touts, so I dumped Warren and started following Wayne Root, he used to host a tout show with Ed "The Professor" Horowitz, can't recall the name of it, but the thing I liked about him was he was a contrarian, he figured if the public loses and the house wins, why not go against the public and with the house, made sense to me, so I tailed whatever he would suggest, I was just a kid with little money so I would bet $25 per game which was the lowest amount my bookie would take. The ironic thing is, all these years later I'm still a contrarian bettor, of course there's more to it than just fading the public, but I've done well through the years being a dog player and contrarian.



Score's Kingpin was Named Bob Dunbar.

Before Score, I Think Dunbar was involved with a Relative of Paris Hilton, as a Tout.

Baron, Barry, Barney.

Something Like That.
 

jimmythegreek

The opening odds start here
I wonder if Daily Wager will return with baseball. Maybe Chip Chirimbes will make another couple of cameos.
 

kane

EOG master
I wonder if Daily Wager will return with baseball. Maybe Chip Chirimbes will make another couple of cameos.

True story, about 10 years ago a buddy of mine saw Chirimbes in a bar, he was alone so my friend sat next to him and said he recognized him, so they end up talking for 5 minutes about sports and gambling, and the only two things my friend can remember about the encounter was, Chirimbes seemed really down, and he remembered him saying about selling picks "It's a tough way to make a living"
 

ComptrBob

EOG Master
Wasn't He a Former Stardust Invitational Contestant ?

Some details: Wagner was in the 1998 Stardust Invitational (his only year), won R1 against Mike Lee and lost R2 to Kelso Sturgeon.

Kelso went on to lose to Peter Brown who defeated Kenny White for the title.

Net Wagner record 7-6-1.
 

boston massacre

EOG Master
Some details: Wagner was in the 1998 Stardust Invitational (his only year), won R1 against Mike Lee and lost R2 to Kelso Sturgeon.

Kelso went on to lose to Peter Brown who defeated Kenny White for the title.

Net Wagner record 7-6-1.



Was in Attendance For The Wagner/Lee Match up.

Who Put Up The 10 Grand ?

Stardust Sportsbook/ Lupo in Charge ?
 

winkyduck

TYVM Morgan William!!!
If memory serves, Dan Pastorini sold his name to one of the tout services too.

I hope that asshole BURNS IN HELL!!

Back when I was busting SCUM like this he was on my list. Normally I busted people from a pay phone that was in a great and quiet location and (more importantly) received incoming calls. I soooooooooooo loved doing it and I know others loved reading them.

One day, by mistake, I called Pastorini's service from home. YIKES!

FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would get calls all of the time from services he sold my name/number to since scum like that do stuff like that. I once got a call at 6:30A. I told them that was illegal and calls could only be between 9A-8P. He said he was calling at 9:30A in (whatever East Coast state he was calling from) so it was legal. I said 10A in England is 2A in CA but that is not legal. He actually said - it was.

I got calls from all sorts of scum who just so happened to have a "Game of the (Fill in the Blank) that could not lose and was available for only (some low price). UGH! I finally stopped getting calls

Some "Legends" we missed include

Jack Price: The guy sweated more than someone who ran a marathon. He always did his thing in front of a screen that made it look like he was standing in front of the "Welcome to Las Vegas" sign. "In my heart of hearts I know I will win. Just give me a chance to make you money" - yeah, right. Jack really: https://www.gambling911.com/gambling/terrible-touts-2-price-wrong-jack-price-.html

Stu Feiner: This life size Goodyear Blimp is still going at it today. He is 2 cheeseburgers away from exploding. Who can forget this shit. I busted this asshole too many times to count:

Sorry for this but imagine being some woman and saying "This is the man I want to spend the rest of my life with." If he tries to do Jumping Jacks it registers a 6.0 Earthquake on the Caltech seismographs:

Kevin Duffy: Stu's B-I-L and someone who looked like he could be Jared Kushner's Twin brother. He also has more acne on his face than every 13-year-old by out there
 

winkyduck

TYVM Morgan William!!!
I was limited as to what I could post above because of links so here are more


Dr. Ron Bash: College Coach of the Year? Yeah - on some D3 level or something like that. As scummy as it gets. His "1 2 turn 2" gimmick made me wanna break his fingers so he could't do that any more:

Notice here how he BARELY gets in the "D3" part when talking about the NCAA F4

Brandon Lang: The name speaks for itself. NO CHANCE you get those picks for fre, NONE!

Stu Feiner did something great here:
 
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