The opening of the book: Sports gambling’s humble beginnings

blueline

EOG Master
LAS VEGAS — A fuming Lem Banker stomped into Jimmy “The Greek” Snyder’s Hollywood Race and Sports Book downtown in the 1960s. Snyder stood on the other side of the counter.


“Where’s my money?” said Banker.


“Don’t have it,” Snyder said.


Banker, a sports-betting legend and former boxer who trained religiously, moved toward Snyder, who grabbed a baseball bat. Banker hurdled the counter and discarded the weapon. A struggle ensued.


They slipped behind a partition, into an office. Banker left with his loot, maybe $5,000, fellow pro Ron Boyles said.


Eyewitness Harold Kulic, a longtime El Cortez ticket writer known as ‘‘Hungry Hal,’’ relayed those theatrics to Boyles during the inglorious stand-alone era of Vegas sportsbooks.


“Everyone called him Hal and thought that was his name,” Boyles said. “He loved to eat. Never paid for a meal. He’d shop for the best baseball numbers, and everyone comped him meals.”


In those decades, Vegas punters patronized either illegal bookies or stand-alones like Snyder’s. The legal shops continued, barely at times, until less onerous taxes led to wider acceptance and today’s sports-betting bacchanal.


For the first time, Nevada did $1 billion in monthly sports-betting business, the handle, in October, a month after New Jersey became the first state to bust a billion. The profit, or hold, usually hovers around 5%.


Industry experts expect Illinois to soon join that exclusive 10-figure fraternity.


On Dec. 9, Maryland became the 31st U.S. jurisdiction (30 states, plus Washington, D.C.) to legalize sports betting. Sixteen additional states are discussing legislation.


Since the U.S. Supreme Court let states pursue their own sports-gambling ambitions, in 2018, more than $82 billion in business has been generated nationally, according to industry watchdog SportsHandle.


For decades, a legal single-game sports bet could be placed only in Nevada, which had a 1974 handle of $8 million.


At times, there were only three stand-alones in Las Vegas.


SAWDUST JOINTS


Herbie Hoops, Dick the Pick, Bobby the Tower, Hunchback Bobby, Crazy Louie, Jolly Joe, Fat Dave, Michael the Weasel and Fast Eddie were some of the eccentrics of that unglamorous period.


“Characters,” Boyles said, “who made those holes-in-the-wall interesting.”


They’d frequent the Rose Bowl, Derby, Saratoga, Santa Anita, Hollywood or other books, either on the Strip or downtown. Longtime handicapper Dave Cokin recalls veritable melees at outside pay phones.


Nevada legalized gambling in 1931. Sports betting, however, was not popular due to reported fixes, allegations of nefarious activities and thorny taxes.


In 1951, a 10% federal tax on sports betting at once provided regulation and shuttered businesses. In 1974, that was cut to 2%; in 1983, to its current ¼ of 1%.


The Union Plaza, in 1975, became the first hotel-casino to incorporate a book on its premises. A year later at the Stardust, Chicago native Frank “Lefty” Rosenthal — who had run the Rose Bowl — developed the “theater-style” setting that became de rigueur.


Those stand-alones kept the business afloat between the early 1950s, when politicos nearly twice outlawed bookmaking, and the mid-70s.


“Very inhospitable places,” Rosenthal said in “Casino,” Nicholas Pileggi’s 1995 book. “Sawdust joints. I had spent my life in those places and knew what they needed.”


RUNYONESQUE


In June 1976, at Bill Dark’s Del Mar in North Las Vegas, well-known Vegas hothead Cryin’ Kenny had bet on Game 5 of the Suns–Celtics NBA championship series to finish Under its projected total.


The triple-overtime game sailed Over. Before it ended, the wild-eyed Texan had left and returned with a revolver, blasting six bullets into the Zenith television hanging from the ceiling.


Kenny returned the next day, South Point sportsbook director Chris Andrews wrote in his “Then One Day . . .” book — and apologized to Dark who, after making Kenny pay for the TV, took Kenny’s bets. Business as usual.


South Point sports marketing director and Vegas institution Jimmy Vaccaro said the last of the stand-alones were Little Caesar’s and Churchill Downs, at opposite ends of a simple mall.


In the late 1990s, that Strip stretch became Paris Las Vegas.


Tommy Lorenzo, a 49-year-old Southern California resident, slipped into Little Caesar’s, out of curiosity, when he was 19. The casino books all carded him. But at LC, he bought a beer in a 16-ounce Dixie cup for a dollar.


“The characters mulling around,” Lorenzo said, “could have inspired the cantina scene from ‘Star Wars.’ I didn’t get carded and felt like a king in that place, which was very much a dive.”


Boyles called it ambience.


“Runyonesque characters in every corner. At the Rose Bowl, they faked a robbery; they had lost all kinds of money and couldn’t pay people. Handwritten tickets. Could make a movie about them.”


The Rose Bowl, under Gary Austin, never reopened. Horse races were recreated, after the fact, from disseminator Joe Deluca reading ticker-tape over speakers.


“Straight out of ‘The Sting.’ He’d come on the microphone,” Boyles said, “with this old race-track voice and give the call. Tremendous.”


Vegas pillar Michael “Roxy” Roxborough frequented the Santa Anita. In an email, he called the stand-alones pigpens. You would never bring a lady to one of those.


He lauded casinos operating books.


“They had little tolerance for the insalubrious characters that were the old joints’ habitué. In plain language, you couldn’t stand on the chairs and throw beer bottles at the TV anymore.”
 

justintalk

EOG Veteran
1980 I had just met roxy and we were hanging out watching hockey and drinking heineken's. After the first beer he kindly said to me my name is roxy R.O.X.Y. not rocky. Oops my bad.
I knew a guy named rocky who used to hang at the dust and he always talked about all the bodies he buried in the desert.
 

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
Ron Boyles is the real deal.

I remember attending college basketball tournaments with him at Valley High School (Greg Maddux's alma mater) in the late 1990's.

Without the aid of a program, he named the starting five on Austin Peay in a November/December hoop game.

Unlike some, Boyles backs up his opinion with cold, hard cash.

How do I know?

Sports book ticket writers in Las Vegas talk too much.
 
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John Kelly

Born Gambler
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Bobby the Owls longtime buddy, Donny Bader, was another ticket writer with many stories…

Unfortunately, Donnie's stories have been lost to dementia.

Last I checked, Donnie is still breathing at an institution for the mentally incapacitated in Boulder City.

Sad.
 

Viejo Dinosaur

EOG Master
Ron Boyles is the real deal.

I remember attending college basketball tournaments with him at Valley High School (Greg Maddux's alma mater) in the late 1990's.

Without the aid of a program, he named the starting five on Austin Peay in a November/December hoop game.

Unlike some, Boyles backs up his opinion with cold, hard cash.

How do I know?

Sports book ticket writers in Las Vegas talk too much.

Andre Agassi also went to Valley High….
 

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
I always heard about three MLB pitchers going to Valley High in Las Vegas: Greg and Mike Maddux along with Mike Morgan.
 

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
I once played in a pick-up basketball game at Valley High School against former TCU and Virginia Tech guard Hank Thorns.

Thorns was a Valley High School graduate.

Our team won by a score of 9-7 when Hank lost track of the score.

He was clearly the best player on the court.

However, Hank thought we were playing to 11.

With other players waiting to get on the court, we were playing to a score of nine.

David Dineen, himself a former D-1 hoopster, knew the rules/format of the game and hit a 30-foot bomb with the score tied at seven to end the game and force Hank to sit.

What is David doing these days?

He's an academic counselor at the University of Nevada where he counsels young students to enroll in English 102 after they've completed English 101.

Haha.

Searching for a Hank Thorns update?
 
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John Kelly

Born Gambler
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Looks like Hank got a tryout with the Clippers in 2013 but could not make the roster.

Here's hoping he was able to keep the uniform.


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ouch

EOG Dedicated
You can be sure that when an article gets a "thumbs-up" from both Boston Massacre and Kane, you have some quality content.

Love to read these kind of stories from the old days.

It was a whole different world.
 

boston massacre

EOG Master
Ron Boyles is the real deal.

I remember attending college basketball tournaments with him at Valley High School (Greg Maddux's alma mater) in the late 1990's.

Without the aid of a program, he named the starting five on Austin Peay in a November/December hoop game.

Unlike some, Boyles backs up his opinion with cold, hard cash.

How do I know?

Sports book ticket writers in Las Vegas talk too much.


You've Had Boyles on as a Guest, on The Radio Shows.
 

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
I knew Skinny when we were betting 20 dollar parlays and sweating them…Skinny has come a long way…good dude

I met SKINNY long after his $20 parlay days.

The supervisors in the sports book usually pay a visit to the betting window Ron Boyles is occupying.

If a supervisor isn't paying attention, there's nothing worse than a sports book ticket writer hollering out to a supervisor in a crowded sports book filled with desperate gamblers, "Five dimes on betting number 301."
 
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Heim

EOG Master
"South Point sports marketing director and Vegas institution Jimmy Vaccaro"

Legendary bookmaker, a recent HOF inductee now in marketing.

Ahhh....Jimmy probably doesn't like the stress of moving...a number 😁
 

Viejo Dinosaur

EOG Master
"South Point sports marketing director and Vegas institution Jimmy Vaccaro"

Legendary bookmaker, a recent HOF inductee now in marketing.

Ahhh....Jimmy probably doesn't like the stress of moving...a number 😁

One of the best there ever was in the sports book industry…
 

skinny

EOG Addicted
The article certainly brings back a lot of memories.
I remember arriving in downtown Las Vegas on a greyhound bus in 1981 as a 20 year old kid. It was late at night and all the lights were on as I walked down Fremont Street. I had to pinch myself to make sure I wasn't dreaming.
 

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
The article certainly brings back a lot of memories.
I remember arriving in downtown Las Vegas on a greyhound bus in 1981 as a 20 year old kid. It was late at night and all the lights were on as I walked down Fremont Street. I had to pinch myself to make sure I wasn't dreaming.

Sounds like the first three sentences of a book or movie.
 

Neveragain

EOG Dedicated
Bob Martin also belongs in any discussion of early LV sportsbooks and his influence on line making for sports betting nationwide.

Also it’s remarkable how Lefty Rosenthal seized every opportunity to break the law.
Most of his time at the Rosebowl, it seems, was spent booking by phone for his associates in Chicago and Kansas City.
 

Heim

EOG Master
The forever mystery of the Jimmys.

Hoffa, death of a union leader

Vaccaro, death of a manager position.

Is Unsolved Mysteries still on tv?
 

skinny

EOG Addicted
Bob Martin also belongs in any discussion of early LV sportsbooks and his influence on line making for sports betting nationwide.

Also it’s remarkable how Lefty Rosenthal seized every opportunity to break the law.
Most of his time at the Rosebowl, it seems, was spent booking by phone for his associates in Chicago and Kansas City.
No doubt, every one that knew him said he was the best of all time.
In a era where information was limited, his line was razor sharp.
When Martin "retired" around 1984 is when Roxy took over with the help of Scotty Schettler who was running the Stardust at the time.
 

ouch

EOG Dedicated
No doubt, every one that knew him said he was the best of all time.
In a era where information was limited, his line was razor sharp.
When Martin "retired" around 1984 is when Roxy took over with the help of Scotty Schettler who was running the Stardust at the time.

Martin did everything the smart guys with computers do today......only he did it in his head.

If there were a Mt. Rushmore of sports betting, he's on it.
 

ouch

EOG Dedicated
Speaking of old-time Hall of Famers, Gene Mayday of Little Caesar's was a one-of-a-kind.

He would take any kind of bet from anybody. No fear whatsoever! He will forever be known for the million dollar bet he took on the Niners/Bengals Super Bowl game in 1989, and the spaceship car that was parked outside his place until the day he died.

I remember one year back in the late 1980's, for one hour at his place late on a Saturday night, he would reduce every single NFL game being played the next day by a half-point.

And that included games where the line was 3 points.

I think it was between midnight and 1 am. The first time I walked in there and saw the -2.5/+3.5......I thought it was Christmas morning.

The physical plant of Little Caesar's was a shit hole, but that guy was something else.
 

skinny

EOG Addicted
Speaking of old-time Hall of Famers, Gene Mayday of Little Caesar's was a one-of-a-kind.

He would take any kind of bet from anybody. No fear whatsoever! He will forever be known for the million dollar bet he took on the Niners/Bengals Super Bowl game in 1989, and the spaceship car that was parked outside his place until the day he died.

I remember one year back in the late 1980's, for one hour at his place late on a Saturday night, he would reduce every single NFL game being played the next day by a half-point.

And that included games where the line was 3 points.

I think it was between midnight and 1 am. The first time I walked in there and saw the -2.5/+3.5......I thought it was Christmas morning.

The physical plant of Little Caesar's was a shit hole, but that guy was something else.
The half point promotion he called midnight madness, long before cbb teams started calling it that.
Vegas World owner Bob Stupak is the guy that bet the million dollars on the super bowl.
 

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
I'll never forget the homemade note on the dry erase board behind the counter at Little Caesar's.

The message read: House limits range from $5.00 to $1,000,000.

And then in smaller handwriting bracketed by parentheses came the punchline: Ask if you want more.
 

skinny

EOG Addicted
I'll never forget the homemade note on the dry erase board behind the counter at Little Caesar's.

The message read: House limits range from $5.00 to $1,000,000.

And then in smaller handwriting bracketed by parentheses came the punchline: Ask if you want more.
Funny line.

For a little while they also had a quarter crap game as well.
 

Sportsrmylife

EOG Master
This thread needs to be pinned to never get lost as the stories and history is something that shouldn't be forgotten.

I can see the smiles of some people reading this bringing back some enjoyable memories.
 
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