Vegas.....here I come!

drewphin0

if you have an itch to try to move to vegas just fucking do it. most likely, as in in my case so far, it isnt going to work but at least you have the experience. everything doesn't have to be absolutely perfect to do it. go and figure it out.

just have say 50 bets and some other living money. give it a 30 day or 60 day trial.

live and learn.



Now to comment on the other things about going to vegas



First off, i have done this already a while back. I stayed in vegas for close to 3 months less than 10 years ago. I stayed at hotels and kept moving from the strip to downtown because of the hotel fees. This was when you didn't have those resort fees etc. Such as you could stay at imperial palace for 25 dollars a day during the weekdays. There were few days i got comped there as well at the cnet properties. Then on weekends, i went downtown because of the high weekend fees on the strip that included imperial palace. So i have done this previously. But now it seems like its much more expensive to do this as the resort fees are huge. You have to be paying at least 2k a month it seems minimum to stay at hotels for a month in vegas and that probably would mean strip and downtown mixed in. So if you don't want to move around, its going to be at least 3k? Also back then i rode the deuce bus to get around. I won't want to do this anymore. For you, its not that bad because you have a car to get around. Thats why i want to know if there are places where you can rent short term like extended stay place or apartment that doesn't require a long lease such as a few months or even month to month because that would be perfect for most ppl who want to do this. I read that renting in vegas now is much more expensive than it was less than 10 years ago.



Also here is something else. Im not in the US at the moment,. Im in another country and i relocated here years ago. How many people do you know that relocated outside the us to play online poker or bet sports? Very few ppl would ever do this as its completely different and moving out of your element.. Moving to vegas is much simpler for them then that.



I did this to play online poker such as playing on pokerstars and other poker sites US players cannot play on and bet sports offshore as i have accounts at pinnacle and many other sites US players do not have. How many people you know in the US relocated outside the US and have access to pokerstars and Pinnacle? Do you know many people here that done this on this forum? I would guess either 0 or 1 at the most. And none of them are poker players.



This was a much tougher transition than when i went to vegas for a few months. In vegas, the issue was finding a place but i decided to stay in hotels instead. Try moving to another country, renting is tougher, then you have to do banking which is a huge hassle. Try relocating to another country and see how tough it is. For vegas, my only issue would be finding a short term place as I don't want to sign something for 1 year since i dont' want to get locked down for that long if i want to leave in a few months. Also in vegas, you don't have to do things like create a bank account because well... all or most of us have one since we are American.



Also you have to know back then in vegas, there were very few apps that were around at the time. I recall it was just cantor, stations and a few other ones. So the climate in vegas back then when i was there is much different now. Also poker there when i played, i mostly played low stakes at the time, the games were very soft. Now i heard poker is tough even at the 1/3 stakes. When i played 1/3 in vegas back then when i was there, i was either the best or 2nd best player at the table almost every time. Now i probably would not be since i havent played live poker cash games in a long time and players are obviously not as bad as they were.


So i probably have went out of my comfort zone more than almost everyone here. Who here relocated outside the US so they can bet at pinnacle and other non us books or play on pokerstars? Going to vegas is not that hard. Finding a place to stay to me is the biggest hassle in vegas since i won't have a car.
 
Now to comment on the other things about going to vegas



First off, i have done this already a while back. I stayed in vegas for close to 3 months less than 10 years ago. I stayed at hotels and kept moving from the strip to downtown because of the hotel fees. This was when you didn't have those resort fees etc. Such as you could stay at imperial palace for 25 dollars a day during the weekdays. There were few days i got comped there as well at the cnet properties. Then on weekends, i went downtown because of the high weekend fees on the strip that included imperial palace. So i have done this previously. But now it seems like its much more expensive to do this as the resort fees are huge. You have to be paying at least 2k a month it seems minimum to stay at hotels for a month in vegas and that probably would mean strip and downtown mixed in. So if you don't want to move around, its going to be at least 3k? Also back then i rode the deuce bus to get around. I won't want to do this anymore. For you, its not that bad because you have a car to get around. Thats why i want to know if there are places where you can rent short term like extended stay place or apartment that doesn't require a long lease such as a few months or even month to month because that would be perfect for most ppl who want to do this. I read that renting in vegas now is much more expensive than it was less than 10 years ago.



Also here is something else. Im not in the US at the moment,. Im in another country and i relocated here years ago. How many people do you know that relocated outside the us to play online poker or bet sports? Very few ppl would ever do this as its completely different and moving out of your element.. Moving to vegas is much simpler for them then that.



I did this to play online poker such as playing on pokerstars and other poker sites US players cannot play on and bet sports offshore as i have accounts at pinnacle and many other sites US players do not have. How many people you know in the US relocated outside the US and have access to pokerstars and Pinnacle? Do you know many people here that done this on this forum? I would guess either 0 or 1 at the most. And none of them are poker players.



This was a much tougher transition than when i went to vegas for a few months. In vegas, the issue was finding a place but i decided to stay in hotels instead. Try moving to another country, renting is tougher, then you have to do banking which is a huge hassle. Try relocating to another country and see how tough it is. For vegas, my only issue would be finding a short term place as I don't want to sign something for 1 year since i dont' want to get locked down for that long if i want to leave in a few months. Also in vegas, you don't have to do things like create a bank account because well... all or most of us have one since we are American.



Also you have to know back then in vegas, there were very few apps that were around at the time. I recall it was just cantor, stations and a few other ones. So the climate in vegas back then when i was there is much different now. Also poker there when i played, i mostly played low stakes at the time, the games were very soft. Now i heard poker is tough even at the 1/3 stakes. When i played 1/3 in vegas back then when i was there, i was either the best or 2nd best player at the table almost every time. Now i probably would not be since i havent played live poker cash games in a long time and players are obviously not as bad as they were.


So i probably have went out of my comfort zone more than almost everyone here. Who here relocated outside the US so they can bet at pinnacle and other non us books or play on pokerstars? Going to vegas is not that hard. Finding a place to stay to me is the biggest hassle in vegas since i won't have a car.
I know quite a few people who moved out of the country after Black Friday and they all struggled with it. One good friend met a local girl and got married and started doing other things than playing poker so it all worked out for him. Thing is living offshore can be cheaper, more interesting from living in a new culture, and no matter what gets you into a different environment. Going to Vegas to gamble is all about grinding in an environment that wants to just grind you down.

So its really all about perspective, making the best of things. I really wish the lesson people learned in moving to Vegas and finding it tougher than they thought is they stay and find something else to do. Its a better place to live than most of the shitholes people seem to come from so it can't all be that bad to have to find something to do with your talent thats more additive to society than playing cards or betting on sports. The gambling part is hard and since so many try it, by definition it has to be extremely hard to make it. But moving to another place for a fresh start and maybe a chance at a career you think you will love is something that isn't that uncommon and that's how all the knuckleheads should be thinking about it.
 
Vegas is probably the easiest city in America to find short-term housing without having to commit to a lease longer than 1 month. Vegas overall does seem to have more trash compared to when I used to spend the entire football season there (mid-late 1990's). Much of the short-term housing options I used then, now seem too run down and dangerous for my current tastes and comfort. I was very young then and didn't mind having only a fraction of my possessions with me.

Sports is in his 40s and so am I. What he's doing...hopping around all the time, wouldn't be comfortable for my nerves and I don't think I'd ever be able to focus or relax. I wish him luck but, unless he finds more stable housing and at least part-time employment, I think he's on a path to fizzle out and return to Wisconsin before 2019 ends.
 
Sports, what sports are u betting right now? Just baseball? I gave u my two cents that baseball is a very tough bet, based on all the Advanced Sabermetrics being bet into the #.

You're gearing up for CollFB? Think about the FCS games that showed up in another thread. As betting market explodes, there will be more FCS games lined at higher limits...and there's just no way the oddmaker can accurately line 240 teams.
I have noticed the odds on power teams (Dodgers,Yanks etc) are consistenly around -200. That only used to be when top pitchers were starting. Is this because of Sabremetrics?
 
Drew...sounds like a nice setup. Why would you want to move to vegas when I suppose every offshore book is at your figure tips along with the major poker sites.

Don't be fooled by the talk about live poker. There is plenty of money in it as you just have to dig to find it.

Right now poker is the easiest it is going to be moving forward.

Just like in 2004 when everyone said the golden age was 2001.

Just like in 2008 when they said the games were super soft in 2004.

Just like in 2012 when they said the games were super soft in 2008.

rinse and repeat.

The reason it gets hard is because people think their current game is all that there needs to be in order to win money.
 
Well, the issue is online poker is a lot tougher now than it was before Black Friday. Remember back then, there were tons of Americans that can play on pokerstars. Now, you mostly have players from europe and very few bad players. Even at the low stakes, you don't see much bad players. Compare that with American players... its not even close. Thats why sites that cater to only US players... those sites are much softer than pokerstars etc. But issue is there isn't that many players so guarantees for tournaments are low.


Well i have access to pinnacle and few other non us sites. But when you think about it... the main us offshore books... bookmaker, 5dimes, betonline... these are 3 very good outs to have already. Thus if you have access to these 3 books, i think thats pretty damn good since well you can deposit/withdraw via btc... and limits are high. You can deposit up to 25k and withdraw up to 10k at a time i believe.


I heard live poker is not easy even at 1/2 and 1/3 in vegas. Such as not many idiots there anymore. I agree with this statement based on the fact that... why would rec players even sit at a table when its full of grinders. Do you agree on that? Online poker before Black Friday was soft... but of course it was much softer before UEIGA etc. But when you can't play with American players... the player pool is going to be not soft. I mean for me, i can play online poker and bet sports at pinnacle, bookmaker and most or all us books.


But in vegas, everything is there on the strip. I mean i wouldn't mind betting offshore in vegas with bookmaker, 5dimes etc... and being able to bet on the apps. Then going to play some live poker at say wynn or bellagio or venetian etc.


Put it this way... you know that online is much tougher online. I mean... if someone could beat 100nl online on pokerstars, they are going to be a winning player at 5/10nl in vegas. If someone could beat 50nl online, they are at worst break even at 2/5nl.


So what stakes do you usually play in vegas? Do you consider yourself on average... like the what best number at the table on average? Do you consider yourself the best, 2nd best, 3rd best on average? If anything worst than that... well that is not good etc.
 
I would consider myself below average in poker. I have issues with playing out of position. A major leak in my game.

I play 1/2NL and I buy in for 100bb no matter what the max buy in is.
 
sporty...........i'm in vegas saturday and sunday then off to tahoe on monday.

i'll fix the leak playing out of position for you
and if you have time dinner at rao's is on me

pm me if your available

we'll have a few laughs

FACTS
 
I would like to hear some stories of people who moved to LV that wasn’t a pro gambler. How is the job market outside of the casino industry?
Its good depending upon your field and education. Lots of low end workers in Vegas that complain about everything, but their gig is better than trying to make it in CA. If you have a degree and some work experience you are going to do fine. I know over a hundred people around Vegas, many in the corporate side of the gaming industry and only one is looking for a job now. Six got laid off by MGM or Caesars recently and five had jobs within six weeks. For the moment it's definitely advantage employees and disadvantage to employers.
 
I would consider myself below average in poker. I have issues with playing out of position. A major leak in my game.

I play 1/2NL and I buy in for 100bb no matter what the max buy in is.


Would you say the 1/2nl games are pretty soft then? Do you play during day or night? Obviously day games are not good etc.


Im surprised you only buyin for 100bb at 1/2nl. Because raise sizes are like huge at 1/2nl.
 
I would consider myself below average in poker. I have issues with playing out of position. A major leak in my game.

I play 1/2NL and I buy in for 100bb no matter what the max buy in is.
I'd suggest 3 betting more OOP and also buy in for your reloads. If you are buying in for 200 and reloading when you get short or bust the 1st buy in that can be problematic. I did some experimentation with buy in amounts back in the day and can tell you that mentally being able to overcome now I'm down x amount which is relative to my stop loss is exhausting and will effect your over all bravery. Also if the opposition sees that he can only lose 200 or less it will allow him to gain bravado. Big bank usually wants to take small bank.. Limit or no limit
 
SportsIsMyLife.... Did you investigate all the promotions for poker. I am talking about an additional poker +EV Promotions. Like if you are there for a number of hour you get $$$X. This is in addition to the $1 or $2 per hour.
 
Update.

I'm ending my baseball season down for the season. I finish my season -17.32u. I'm also going to give poker a rest. I feel it's not for my best interest to grind both ends of the candle as the best time for poker is from 9pm to 1am.

My time is going to be spent on college football. This is something that I've never done before in terms of being single mindedly focused on one event. Have always tried to do multiple sports but I'm going to give this a shot for the season.

I may jump on a poker table for a session of a few hours here or there moving forward but hopefully I won't have the energy to do that if I am exhausting my efforts in handicapping college football.

Life has been good. I want to thank the people that have reached out to me via DM to offer advise and to give helpful situations which I appreciate. There are plenty of great helpful people on this forum which doesn't get highlighted enough but I'm sure that these people would rather stay in the shadows with their generosity.

I am going to provide some nuggets that I read and find for college football matchups. I am only going to handicap a few of the conferences also. Even now I have found a few nuggets that I don't believe are in the early numbers.

I will be following/reading/listening to the master of college footbal Drinkmymilkshake. That guy is a grandmaster of college football.

Another note I won't be doing the circa or supercontest. Not in my budget this year.

More to come later!
 
SportsIsMyLife.... Did you investigate all the promotions for poker. I am talking about an additional poker +EV Promotions. Like if you are there for a number of hour you get $$$X. This is in addition to the $1 or $2 per hour.
I've noticed that off the strip poker rooms have these "hours for pay" promos. Red Rock and Golden Nugget come to mind that have these promos. The play is more local focused at these places which generally means tighter games and lower win rates.
 
How many units do you bet per game if you don't mind? Also your bet sizes are flat 1 unit or they range from a certain number to another?


How long do you play to stay in airbnbs until you find a place to stay where you don't have to move once every 2 weeks? Do you know much about those extended stay places? I believe there are some that do month to month rentals and cost probably 1200 usd? I recall the 1st month, you have to pay taxes and fees so it would be at least $1500 minimum.
 
I've noticed that off the strip poker rooms have these "hours for pay" promos. Red Rock and Golden Nugget come to mind that have these promos. The play is more local focused at these places which generally means tighter games and lower win rates.
Hey Sports

At the MGM. I got paid $250 for the month with 60 hours of play. THey have

1. Aces Cracked promotion
2. Full House promotion 99,10 10, JJ flop a full house for $400 and $200 on the turn or river
3. Bad beat AAAXX beaten

---SV
 
How many units do you bet per game if you don't mind? Also your bet sizes are flat 1 unit or they range from a certain number to another?


How long do you play to stay in airbnbs until you find a place to stay where you don't have to move once every 2 weeks? Do you know much about those extended stay places? I believe there are some that do month to month rentals and cost probably 1200 usd? I recall the 1st month, you have to pay taxes and fees so it would be at least $1500 minimum.
I flat bet everything. favorites to win 1 unit. dogs risk 1 unit.

I stay at an airbnb until someone else is booked where I have to move.

I haven't looked at the extended stay places as I don't trust with the location of these places. Not exactly in the safest locations from what I've seen along with plenty of homeless walking around these neighborhoods.

From advertised on signs I think $199 for a week is what I've seen with these extended places.
 
Hey Sports

At the MGM. I got paid $250 for the month with 60 hours of play. THey have

1. Aces Cracked promotion
2. Full House promotion 99,10 10, JJ flop a full house for $400 and $200 on the turn or river
3. Bad beat AAAXX beaten

---SV
that looks like a good promo. how was the play from your time on the tables?
 
Hey Sports

At the MGM. I got paid $250 for the month with 60 hours of play. THey have

1. Aces Cracked promotion
2. Full House promotion 99,10 10, JJ flop a full house for $400 and $200 on the turn or river
3. Bad beat AAAXX beaten

---SV
Don't they take $2 jackpot drop for these? If so I'd pass on it. The high drop in general on cash games with the hourly rate back is pretty common nationwide. However, these just encourage tight play. Really wish poker rooms went to time charge system, would encourage much better habits amongst the players like it should stop players from walking a round every hour and make players play a little looser knowing the way to "save" isn't just to avoid playing pots that you don't have a top starting hand.
 
I flat bet everything. favorites to win 1 unit. dogs risk 1 unit.

I stay at an airbnb until someone else is booked where I have to move.

I haven't looked at the extended stay places as I don't trust with the location of these places. Not exactly in the safest locations from what I've seen along with plenty of homeless walking around these neighborhoods.

From advertised on signs I think $199 for a week is what I've seen with these extended places.

The $199 per week is right but Siegel Suites and those similar to it is straight in the Hooker and Drug zone. Be careful staying at those places. If you do stay on the 2nd floor.
 
I would like to hear some stories of people who moved to LV that wasn’t a pro gambler. How is the job market outside of the casino industry?
To me that was the most advisable way to go. Got a day job first, then moved out here into an apartment, not a weekly. Now own/mortgage a condo.

At least for me, the job market has been good, at least within my profession. 11 years in the one job and called back from retirement twice, this time for a 36-month "temp" gig, with me being the one to put the Sept. 2020 termination date on the deal.

Have looked at those weekly/monthly places a few times for one reason or another. Too dangerous. And at least my mortgage/HOA fee combo is less. I live in an Ozzie and Harriet type setting when it would cost as much or more to live instead in New Jack City at one of the weekly/monthly places. And the bed bugs do bite.

And, to me, trying to both bet with and live off an inadequate bankroll was not advisable. You have to be sufficiently capitalized to be able to do both.

"At least that's how I see it," as Remo Gaggi would say.
 
"Have looked at those weekly/monthly places a few times for one reason or another. Too dangerous" from squarepants

Nothing wrong with wkk/montly just can get pricely after a while
 
Over and above talking to sundry folks over the years, visiting people in those places, and, well, the criminal cases that I've worked on over the years, I read the reviews, like on Google maps for a particular location. Not flattering, and I add blue-eyes and age factors on relative risk for me individually.

But I've certainly stayed in worse places over the course of my life and lived to tell the tale.

But, particularly before resort fees started to get applied to places that aren't anywhere near "resorts," I always opted instead for cheap hotel rooms, like at the El Cortez or even the ratchet Wild Wild West, if I was in a temp housing situation, like after they sold my apartment out from under me during the pre-bust real estate mania.
 
Hey Sportsrmylife. You have lived long enough in vegas to get a Nevada ID. Just use your AirBnB address. There are perks on being a local

1. Free Entry into strip clubs for locals
2. Locals discounts for Buffets and rewards
3. other local discounts

Go for it
 
Very kind of you to say so, Woodrow . . . yep, I definitely love those outside-the-box times in Las Vegas, but a little grounding when you live out here 24/7 in a 24/7 town definitely helps.
 
week 1 college football

best bet
Illinois -17

arizona st over 62
mia oh und 48.5
la tech +20.5 (texas has some big key guys injured and herman has a history of getting up 3 scores and letting off the gas)
ok st over 74.5
wi over 56.5
memphis -5.5
tulane over 57.5
hou over 82.5
hou +24
 
Ok so you bet between 1-4 units and your average bet is $100 or 2 units then? Thus you either bet 50, 100, 150 or 200? Or its like 50, 100 and 200?


How many bets on average do you bet a month? Do you know on average what is the total amount you risk/wager per month?


I think if one wants to do it for a living full time and say try to make 30k a year in sportsbetting minimum, I think someone probably need to average 1k a bet. I think the right number would be 2-3k. I read an article a while back when someone mentioned if you do it for a full time incoming, the minimum you should be betting is 1000. They said 500 is probably the absolute minimum and let say you do that and up 50 units the entire season which is not only a lot but that is huge... that would be only 25k if your average bet is 500.
 
week 1 college football

best bet
Illinois -17 Agree

arizona st over 62 Arizona St runs a 3-3-5 (with Marvin Lewis Helping Herm) ????
mia oh und 48.5 Maybe
la tech +20.5 (texas has some big key guys injured and herman has a history of getting up 3 scores and letting off the gas) Agree
ok st over 74.5 Agree
wi over 56.5 ????
memphis -5.5 ???
tulane over 57.5 AGREE
hou over 82.5 Agree
hou +24
?????

I like the card... ???? No opinion


best bet
Illinois -17 Agree

arizona st over 62 Arizona St runs a 3-3-5 (with Marvin Lewis Helping Herm) ????
mia oh und 48.5 Maybe
la tech +20.5 (texas has some big key guys injured and herman has a history of getting up 3 scores and letting off the gas) Agree
ok st over 74.5 Agree
wi over 56.5 ????
memphis -5.5 ???
tulane over 57.5 AGREE
hou over 82.5 Agree
hou +24
 
?????

I like the card... ???? No opinion


best bet
Illinois -17 Agree

arizona st over 62 Arizona St runs a 3-3-5 (with Marvin Lewis Helping Herm) ????
mia oh und 48.5 Maybe
la tech +20.5 (texas has some big key guys injured and herman has a history of getting up 3 scores and letting off the gas) Agree
ok st over 74.5 Agree
wi over 56.5 ????
memphis -5.5 ???
tulane over 57.5 AGREE
hou over 82.5 Agree
hou +24
Illinois.
Lovie smith just got a contract extention for having blackmail on the suits....no seriously I have no idea how this happened. Well he does have the best QB playing that he has since he got here in Brandon Peters and potential stud Isiah Williams (4 star recruit) who will see action in the first part of the season before taking a redshirt. Add in a better passing attack to a rush offense that finished #2 in the big ten last year. Lovie takes over as DC with 10 starters back from a defense that finished #113 or worse in many categories. So how does this become a play on a team laying 3 scores? Because Akron is horrible. The roster is super thin and the defensive line is very small and inexperienced with 3 starters back. The 2 deep on defense is full of freshman and sophomores and of those many are former walk ons.

The motivation for Illinois is that this is a game where they could make people believe they have something working here by laying the wood to a team that will finish 125th or worse this season. Is a back door cover possible if Illinois gets up big in the 2h? I believe not. A second half lead will get Isiah Williams some playing time who adds another threat with his legs and expect some deep chances showing off his arm. Akron was #99 against the run last year. Only bring back 3 starters (1 DL). This isn't a winnable game for Akron and HC Tom Arth will take the paycheck and try to get out healthy as there are winnable games in the near future.

Wis/Sou Florida over 56.5
This is a great play based on what both defenses don't do well. Wisconsin will run the ball against a defense that was #122 in rush defense last year (yes they return 3 of 4 starting DL but being that bad and making a big impact immediately is a bit too much to chew on right away) while new OC Kerwin Bell is going to use a very uptempo style to feature Blake Barnett. DC Jim Leonard has been a great young DC but seems to have some holes in his style when it comes to slowing down uptempo offenses. Here is the key. The Badgers are taking a defense on the road who will be starting 6 sophomores and 1 redshirt freshmen (according to the depth chart on released by the Badgers 2 days ago). The secondary is starting 3 of those sophomores and the red shirt freshman. There is going to be miscommunication errors with a young secondary against an experienced QB in an uptempo game

The Badgers OL loses 4 starters but return the key piece in C Tyler Biadasz who is a preseason All American in some mags and a NFL to 3 rounds draftee in the future.

I read this game as South Florida's pace of play being under rated in this total. I expect to see totals in the mid 60's moving forward in their games.

I just checked the total right now and see 59 to 60.5 (60.5 at South Point). That would make this a half unit bet at 59.5. This could be a nice live betting shot if both offenses come out slow and the total drops in the 56 range after a few series.
 
Sporty...very nice EZ cash on Illini.

Any Vegas reports on books taking action on NCAA Added games + NCAA FCS games? Online, I was worried about this + playing out as a I figured. Looks like nickel limits ($500), which is ok...but 30-cent juice is very bad.
 
week 2 college / week 1 nfl
college record 4-7 -2.7u
Best bet 1-0 +2

all to win 1 unit
Best bet to win 2 units

baylor -26.5
ucla -7
lsu -6
neb col over 65
ark st unlv over 63.5
ole miss -6 (Best Bet)
char app st over 54

texans under 52.5
panthers under 50
lions -2.5 (Best Bet)
lions under 46.5
cowboys under 45.5
Bengals +9.5
Raiders +2.5
 
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