What Michael Phelps should have said- Reason Magazine

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What Michael Phelps Should Have Said

Smoking pot shouldn't be a crime. Or the public's business.

Radley Balko | February 2, 2009

Dear America,

I take it back. I don?t apologize.

Because you know what? It?s none of your goddamned business. I work my ass off 10 months a year. It?s that hard work that gave you all those gooey feelings of patriotism last summer. If during my brief window of down time I want to relax, enjoy myself, and partake of a substance that?s a hell of a lot less bad for me than alcohol, tobacco, or, frankly, most of the prescription drugs most of you are taking, well, you can spare me the lecture.

I put myself through hell. I make my body do things nature never really intended us to endure. All world-class athletes do. We do it because you love to watch us push ourselves as far as we can possibly go. Some of us get hurt. Sometimes permanently. You?re watching the Super Bowl tonight. You?re watching 300 pound men smash each while running at full speed, in full pads. You know what the average life expectancy of an NFL player is? Fifty-five. That?s about 20 years shorter than your average non-NFL player. Yet you watch. And cheer. And you jump up spill your beer when a linebacker lays out a wide receiver on a crossing route across the middle. The harder he gets hit, the louder and more enthusiastically you scream.

Yet you all get bent out of shape when Ricky Williams, or I, or Josh Howard smoke a little dope to relax. Why? Because the idiots you?ve elected to make your laws have, without a shred of evidence, beat it into your head that smoking marijuana is something akin to drinking antifreeze, and done only by dirty hippies and sex offenders.

You?ll have to pardon my cynicism. But I call bullshit. You don?t give a damn about my health. You just get a voyeuristic thrill from watching an elite athlete fall from grace?all the better if you get to exercise a little moral righteousness in the process. And it?s hypocritical righteousness at that, given that 40 percent of you have tried pot at least once in your lives.

Here?s a crazy thought: If I can smoke a little dope and go on to win 14 Olympic gold medals, maybe pot smokers aren?t doomed to lives of couch surfing and video games, as our moronic government would have us believe. In fact, the list of successful pot smokers includes not just world class athletes like me, Howard, Williams, and others, it includes Nobel Prize winners, Pulitzer Prize winners, the last three U.S. presidents, several Supreme Court justices, and luminaries and success stories from all sectors of business and the arts, sciences, and humanities.

So go ahead. Ban me from the next Olympics. Yank my endorsement deals. Stick your collective noses in the air and get all indignant on me. While you?re at it, keep arresting cancer and AIDS patients who dare to smoke the stuff because it deadens their pain, or enables them to eat. Keep sending in goon squads to kick down doors and shoot little old ladies, maim innocent toddlers, handcuff elderly post-polio patients to their beds at gunpoint, and slaughter the family pet.

Tell you what. I?ll make you a deal. I?ll apologize for smoking pot when every politician who ever did drugs and then voted to uphold or strengthen the drug laws marches his ass off to the nearest federal prison to serve out the sentence he wants to impose on everyone else for committing the same crimes he committed. I?ll apologize when the sons, daughters, and nephews of powerful politicians who get caught possessing or dealing drugs in the frat house or prep school get the same treatment as the no-name, probably black kid caught on the corner or the front stoop doing the same thing.

Until then, I for one will have none of it. I smoked pot. I liked it. I?ll probably do it again. I refuse to apologize for it, because by apologizing I help perpetuate this stupid lie, this idea that what someone puts into his own body on his own time is any of the government?s damned business. Or any of yours. I?m not going to bend over and allow myself to be propaganda for this wasteful, ridiculous, immoral war.

Go ahead and tear me down if you like. But let?s see you rationalize in your next lame ONDCP commercial how the greatest motherfucking swimmer the world has ever seen...is also a proud pot smoker.

Yours,

Michael Phelps
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:cheers

That was fucking fantastic. I wish Phelps HAD said that. If anyone can make progress banishing some of the pot smoker stereotypes, he can.
 
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Truth be told, I don't know of any regular Americans who are bent out of shape about this. Marijuana legalization is coming.
 
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Truth be told, I don't know of any regular Americans who are bent out of shape about this. Marijuana legalization is coming.


IT is coming...

This is 2009, They still make people who think pot is bad in this day and age? get real...

if they legalize it, we can create millions of jobs and spring up a multi billion dollar a year industry overnight...Yea thats right, America would actually produce something and not just consume...
 
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IT is coming...

This is 2009, They still make people who think pot is bad in this day and age? get real...

if they legalize it, we can create millions of jobs and spring up a multi billion dollar a year industry overnight...Yea thats right, America would actually produce something and not just consume...
:cheers

Some pretty crazy shit comes out of Vermont. Hell, we may even have an export!

Not to mention the billions wasted keeping people busted on marijuana offenses in prison.

One thing I always wondered: How would you prove it if you suspect a person of driving under the influence of pot? I mean, you'd have to piss test them...and even then, pot stays in your system long after the high wears off. So, you really can't prove someone is actually "under the influence"...that I know of. Is there a way? I mean other than waving a bag of chips in front of them and seeing if the lunge at it. :+textinb3
 
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:cheers

Some pretty crazy shit comes out of Vermont. Hell, we may even have an export!

Not to mention the billions wasted keeping people busted on marijuana offenses in prison.

One thing I always wondered: How would you prove it if you suspect a person of driving under the influence of pot? I mean, you'd have to piss test them...and even then, pot stays in your system long after the high wears off. So, you really can't prove someone is actually "under the influence"...that I know of. Is there a way? I mean other than waving a bag of chips in front of them and seeing if the lunge at it. :+textinb3
You would prove intoxication the same way most driving while intoxicated cases are proved up now: by officer testimony regarding loss of mental or physical faculties. I don't know the actual numbers, but I'd be willing to guess that less than half of those arrested for suspicion of driving while intoxicated actually blow on the breath machine. However, I'm not sure that marijuana leads to the loss of mental or physical faculties in the same manner that ethyl alcohol does. Just as in alcohol cases, the crime is not the consumption, but in the operation of a motor vehicle while intoxicated.
 
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I just want to say: SMOKE WEED!

Does EOG have a weed smiley?
 

pioneer

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Some pretty crazy shit comes out of Vermont. Hell, we may even have an export!

Not to mention the billions wasted keeping people busted on marijuana offenses in prison.

One thing I always wondered: How would you prove it if you suspect a person of driving under the influence of pot? I mean, you'd have to piss test them...and even then, pot stays in your system long after the high wears off. So, you really can't prove someone is actually "under the influence"...that I know of. Is there a way? I mean other than waving a bag of chips in front of them and seeing if the lunge at it.
Yeah, some pretty crazy shit comes out of Vermont...like hypocrisy and intolerance.....

"University of Vermont President Engages in Double-Speak and Double-Standards When It Comes to Disavowing Pro-Intelligent Design Commencement Speaker Ben Stein<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
?In today?s academic double-speak, invitations to far-left revolutionaries and race-baiting Congressmen are apparently ?inclusive,? while inviting a speaker who favors free speech on the issue of evolution is beyond the pale,? says Discovery Institute?s John West.<o:p></o:p>
Apologizing for inviting gifted actor and writer Ben Stein to be commencement speaker at the University of Vermont, University President Daniel Fogel has highlighted what he called Stein?s ?highly controversial views? about ?evolutionary theory, intelligent design, and the role of science in the Holocaust.? Fogel went on to express penance for inviting Stein by claiming that ?Commencement should be a time when our community gathers inclusively, not divisively.? <o:p></o:p>
I guess inclusivity is why in 2007 Fogel chose as commencement speaker Democratic congressman John Lewis, who in 1995 compared Republicans to Nazis (last year Lewis compared John McCain and Sarah Palin to segregationist George Wallace and racist church bombers). Or perhaps President Fogel?s concern for inclusivity is better demonstrated by his 2006 commencement speaker, Gustavo Esteva, a far-left activist and advisor to the radical Zapatista National Liberation Army in Mexico.<o:p></o:p>
Of course, it?s being reported that Stein withdrew as the university?s commencement speaker ?voluntarily.? Voluntarily, that is, after he received a phone call from Dr. Fogel likely making clear he was no longer welcome. Given Fogel?s subsequent disavowal of inviting Stein in the first place, it?s pretty obvious that his phone call was designed to elicit Stein?s withdrawal. Fogel?s spinelessness in the face of the Darwinist thought-police is equaled only by his tone-deafness to his own rhetoric. After disowning Stein, Fogel has continued to insist: ?I am firm in my belief?profoundly held?that, as a university, UVM is and must remain a marketplace of ideas.? Fogel's ideal marketplace must have a lot of empty shelves."
 
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:cheers

Some pretty crazy shit comes out of Vermont. Hell, we may even have an export!

Not to mention the billions wasted keeping people busted on marijuana offenses in prison.

One thing I always wondered: How would you prove it if you suspect a person of driving under the influence of pot? I mean, you'd have to piss test them...and even then, pot stays in your system long after the high wears off. So, you really can't prove someone is actually "under the influence"...that I know of. Is there a way? I mean other than waving a bag of chips in front of them and seeing if the lunge at it. :+textinb3

i got pulled over saturday on my way home from the casino. Literally just got done smoking when he pulled me over...He thought i was drunk, but i wasn't so he let me go.

It was funny because he was just so confused by me :+clueless...


Is that you in your avator?
 
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To each his own, I just don't wanna have to smell the shit or breathe in cigarette smoke...

oh and all you smokers, who want the same rights as those of us who actually would rather be alive those extra 10 years on avg that you all lose out on, show some respect and keep your smoke to yourselves.

As for the Phelps situation, he's paid by the same hypocrites who feel his image means something that's why hes being paid, right or wrong he knows the deal.... so if he wants to get high fine, just give the money back and toke away.

Pot may not be as bad as some make it out to be, however the stats for smoking overall cannot be denied.

There are certainly much worse things he could have done, but he is being paid to carry himself in a certain light....I'm sure if his endorsement deals hinged upon him taking drug tests he'd stay pot free....so he has a choice, give back the 50 million or don't get caught with your mouth on a bong .
 
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ciggarrette's are 10 times worse than pot...

not even comparable imo


I do agree tho Journy...He is being paid alot of money to represent and appear a certian way...If your going to sell yourself, then you give up certain rights...he is just a dumb kid and the execs who give him millions are even dumber
 
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Truth be told, I don't know of any regular Americans who are bent out of shape about this. Marijuana legalization is coming.
Me neither..

The phony media "Somebody should do something about this...." is horse fucking shit. I cant stand it. Meanwhile, they trod home, have 2 shots and 8 beers, yell at their wives and ignore their kids. Fucking hippocrites..

Soapbox is now open for two other feet.,. Thank you
 
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I'm all for legalization, but the problem here will be the issue of driving as there is no present objective test to determine if someone is under the influence of marijuana. If they can make such a test, legalization will be much easier. Many will say...."hey I drive better stoned"....it simply isn't true. The question is if more people would drive stoned if it were legal than already drive stoned...
 
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i got pulled over saturday on my way home from the casino. Literally just got done smoking when he pulled me over...He thought i was drunk, but i wasn't so he let me go.

It was funny because he was just so confused by me :+clueless...


Is that you in your avator?
Same thing happened to me in college.. He was sure I was drunk, but I hadnt had a sip, and had hit that bong like a mofo... The cop was so pissed at me for not being drunk he told me he could whip my ass :LMAO.. i found that an odd thing to say, but i just shook my head (stoned like a "Awakenings" patients, lol)

Fuck that pig :LMAO
 
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I'm all for legalization, but the problem here will be the issue of driving as there is no present objective test to determine if someone is under the influence of marijuana. If they can make such a test, legalization will be much easier. Many will say...."hey I drive better stoned"....it simply isn't true. The question is if more people would drive stoned if it were legal than already drive stoned...
You're right. I have driven many times stoned, especially on long trips. It doesnt make me a better driver, reaction times are a bit slower, and you tend to daydream sometimes. But I actually slowed down stoned and was extra careful not to take any risks.. So, all in all, it was sort of an odd type trade off.

BTW I may smoke a J once or twice a year now.. this was more like 8 years ago etc..
 
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Yeah, some pretty crazy shit comes out of Vermont...like hypocrisy and intolerance.....

"University of Vermont President Engages in Double-Speak and Double-Standards When It Comes to Disavowing Pro-Intelligent Design Commencement Speaker Ben Stein<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
?In today?s academic double-speak, invitations to far-left revolutionaries and race-baiting Congressmen are apparently ?inclusive,? while inviting a speaker who favors free speech on the issue of evolution is beyond the pale,? says Discovery Institute?s John West.<o:p></o:p>
Apologizing for inviting gifted actor and writer Ben Stein to be commencement speaker at the University of Vermont, University President Daniel Fogel has highlighted what he called Stein?s ?highly controversial views? about ?evolutionary theory, intelligent design, and the role of science in the Holocaust.? Fogel went on to express penance for inviting Stein by claiming that ?Commencement should be a time when our community gathers inclusively, not divisively.? <o:p></o:p>
I guess inclusivity is why in 2007 Fogel chose as commencement speaker Democratic congressman John Lewis, who in 1995 compared Republicans to Nazis (last year Lewis compared John McCain and Sarah Palin to segregationist George Wallace and racist church bombers). Or perhaps President Fogel?s concern for inclusivity is better demonstrated by his 2006 commencement speaker, Gustavo Esteva, a far-left activist and advisor to the radical Zapatista National Liberation Army in Mexico.<o:p></o:p>
Of course, it?s being reported that Stein withdrew as the university?s commencement speaker ?voluntarily.? Voluntarily, that is, after he received a phone call from Dr. Fogel likely making clear he was no longer welcome. Given Fogel?s subsequent disavowal of inviting Stein in the first place, it?s pretty obvious that his phone call was designed to elicit Stein?s withdrawal. Fogel?s spinelessness in the face of the Darwinist thought-police is equaled only by his tone-deafness to his own rhetoric. After disowning Stein, Fogel has continued to insist: ?I am firm in my belief?profoundly held?that, as a university, UVM is and must remain a marketplace of ideas.? Fogel's ideal marketplace must have a lot of empty shelves."
Yet again pioneer appeals to a higher authority because he can't form any good argument on a topic. Just copy and paste a news article to make your point for you, pioneer, and you will feel satisfaction. "Take that!", he thinks as he copy and pastes and presses the submit button. Appeal to authority..
 
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ciggarrette's are 10 times worse than pot...

not even comparable imo


I do agree tho Journy...He is being paid alot of money to represent and appear a certian way...If your going to sell yourself, then you give up certain rights...he is just a dumb kid and the execs who give him millions are even dumber
I'm sure they are 10xs worse...smoking is something that affects others because the smoke travels all around the smoker and everyone has to breathe it in, the smell is disgusting , it looks disgusting, and the side effects are very severe....most who smoke end up quitting because they eventually realize how much damage it's causing.

Pot smells awful IMO, if they do legalize it, it should only be allowed within a persons home, why should non smokers be forced to smell it?

I just don't wanna smell the stuff:suit:
 
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I'm sure they are 10xs worse...smoking is something that affects others because the smoke travels all around the smoker and everyone has to breathe it in, the smell is disgusting , it looks disgusting, and the side effects are very severe....most who smoke end up quitting because they eventually realize how much damage it's causing.

Pot smells awful IMO, if they do legalize it, it should only be allowed within a persons home, why should non smokers be forced to smell it?

I just don't wanna smell the stuff:suit:
But smelling the assholes of trucks, cars, and the polution that airplanes drop on our heads every second of the day is just fine.

I bet not 1 lazy american will ever fight about that wonderful way of moving their fat asses around, will they?

Smoking sucks, waaa waaa :+clueless
 
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I'm sure they are 10xs worse...smoking is something that affects others because the smoke travels all around the smoker and everyone has to breathe it in, the smell is disgusting , it looks disgusting, and the side effects are very severe....most who smoke end up quitting because they eventually realize how much damage it's causing.

Pot smells awful IMO, if they do legalize it, it should only be allowed within a persons home, why should non smokers be forced to smell it?

I just don't wanna smell the stuff:suit:
Spoken like true sissy. The quote is what you'd expect Richard Simmons to say as a guest on The View.

:LMAO
 
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You would prove intoxication the same way most driving while intoxicated cases are proved up now: by officer testimony regarding loss of mental or physical faculties.
I guess my problem with this was that I always wondered how the officer is supposed to know. I mean, sometimes it's obvious. But if he pulls me out of my car and asks me to walk a straight line, then I trip...how the hell does he know I'm not just clumsy? And I'm tellin' you right now...dead sober...I couldn't recite the alphabet backwards. So I guess my questions is: If the officer doesn't know me, how does he know I've lost anything mentally or physically?

I don't know the actual numbers, but I'd be willing to guess that less than half of those arrested for suspicion of driving while intoxicated actually blow on the breath machine.
But they have to at some point to be charged, don't they?

However, I'm not sure that marijuana leads to the loss of mental or physical faculties in the same manner that ethyl alcohol does.
That's the thing...it doesn't. There's the old stereotype that when you smoke you...like...start talking...all...slow...and...stuff, but that's not always true. There's really no way of knowing if someone is stoned. Just like when drinking: sometimes it's obvious, but many times it isn't.

Just as in alcohol cases, the crime is not the consumption, but in the operation of a motor vehicle while intoxicated.
Right, and I agree. Personally, I think being stoned makes me a more careful driver (and a hell of a lot more calm), but to each their own. BUT, it should be against the law to drive under the influence of any mood altering drug...even some that doctors hand out like candy.
 
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Yeah, some pretty crazy shit comes out of Vermont...like hypocrisy and intolerance.....
I didn' t know you were born in Vermont! 91023i2ndw;l

We're talking about something serious here, dude...weed. It's made by God, you know. :angel:
 
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Spoken like true sissy. The quote is what you'd expect Richard Simmons to say as a guest on The View.
Aww that hurt...if you could only say the things you say behind a keyboard in the real world.

Sorry, I like clean strong lungs, if you wanna drop dead early that's fine with me :finger004

...you're obviously some lonely scumbag (I've seen enough of your drunken posts to realize that)
 
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i got pulled over saturday on my way home from the casino. Literally just got done smoking when he pulled me over...He thought i was drunk, but i wasn't so he let me go.

It was funny because he was just so confused by me :+clueless...


Is that you in your avator?
Dude, I will never forget the time one of my girls got pulled over with 3 of us in the car. We had TWO bowls going only seconds earlier and all the windows were up because it was raining. We didn't even get a ticket...and we ran a damn red light! There's no way he couldn't smell the shit....but there were four 18 year-old girls, soaking wet and dressed for the beach...you do the math.

Oh, and yes, that's me. I guess stoners aren't all fat, lazy slobs!
 
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Dude, I will never forget the time one of my girls got pulled over with 3 of us in the car. We had TWO bowls going only seconds earlier and all the windows were up because it was raining. We didn't even get a ticket...and we ran a damn red light! There's no way he couldn't smell the shit....but there were four 18 year-old girls, soaking wet and dressed for the beach...you do the math.
:+textinb3:+textinb3:+textinb3:maniac:
 
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I'm all for legalization, but the problem here will be the issue of driving as there is no present objective test to determine if someone is under the influence of marijuana. If they can make such a test, legalization will be much easier. Many will say...."hey I drive better stoned"....it simply isn't true. The question is if more people would drive stoned if it were legal than already drive stoned...
Hey, you don't know that, you're not in my car! I really do drive better after a hit or two. Maybe not full-on stoned...but I have driving anxiety. I'm way to high strung for my own good on the road. One or two takes the edge off and allows me to focus on the road instead of my fear. That said....sometimes I'm so focused on the road I forget where I was going. :doh1
 
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I'm sure they are 10xs worse...smoking is something that affects others because the smoke travels all around the smoker and everyone has to breathe it in, the smell is disgusting , it looks disgusting, and the side effects are very severe....most who smoke end up quitting because they eventually realize how much damage it's causing.
Not all. I want to quit because it's too damn expensive. You've never smoked, have you?

I try to stay out of the way and in designated areas when I want a cigarette. If you walk through my area, it's not my problem. But, I'm not getting into this here. I just wish non-smokers would learn to treat us like human beings.

Pot smells awful IMO, if they do legalize it, it should only be allowed within a persons home, why should non smokers be forced to smell it?
Give me a fucking break. You should have the rights as you do with liquor...at LEAST.

I just don't wanna smell the stuff:suit:
I hate this argument with all kind of smoking. My response: Tough shit. Build yourself a bridge and get the fuck over it. I didn't want to smell the lady who always went into the gas station stinking of cat pee. And I do mean STINKING. I could always smell her from the parking lot. Or how about the guy that refuses to wear deoderant behind the counter....or the other old lady who I swear made her clothes out of mothballs. And there's plenty of perfumes I can't stand, too. Oh, and I'm not a big fan of the way the beach smells at low tide. You don't hear me crying about it.
 
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But smelling the assholes of trucks, cars, and the polution that airplanes drop on our heads every second of the day is just fine.

I bet not 1 lazy american will ever fight about that wonderful way of moving their fat asses around, will they?

Smoking sucks, waaa waaa :+clueless
:cheers:cheers:cheers

I. Love. You.
 
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I guess my problem with this was that I always wondered how the officer is supposed to know. I mean, sometimes it's obvious. But if he pulls me out of my car and asks me to walk a straight line, then I trip...how the hell does he know I'm not just clumsy? And I'm tellin' you right now...dead sober...I couldn't recite the alphabet backwards. So I guess my questions is: If the officer doesn't know me, how does he know I've lost anything mentally or physically?

Most jurisdictions now use only the Standardized Field Sobriety Tests, which are the Horizontal Gaze Nystagmus test (following an object or light with your eyes, which shows nystagmus or jerky eyeball tracking); the Walk and Turn test (obvious); and the One-Legged Stand (obvious). Defendants make that "he doesn't know me so how does he know what is normal" argument every day; the counter to that is what is normal for an average person. Defendants also argue that they're clumsy, as well.

But they have to at some point to be charged, don't they?

Yes, refusing to blow just makes the state case more difficult.

That's the thing...it doesn't. There's the old stereotype that when you smoke you...like...start talking...all...slow...and...stuff, but that's not always true. There's really no way of knowing if someone is stoned. Just like when drinking: sometimes it's obvious, but many times it isn't.

I've never run accross a case where someone was convicted of DWI based only on marijuana.

Right, and I agree. Personally, I think being stoned makes me a more careful driver (and a hell of a lot more calm), but to each their own. BUT, it should be against the law to drive under the influence of any mood altering drug...even some that doctors hand out like candy.

All DWI/DUI statutes prohibit the operation of a motor while intoxicated, no matter what the intoxicant is. I've seen many, many DWI convictions based on narcotics intoxication, or a combination of narcotics and alcohol.
Believe it or not, the looming financial crisis will assist in the legalization effort. As states' budgets come under increasing pressure, the money spent on corrections will tighten up. One BIG way to save on corrections costs is to stop locking up marijuana users. Then consider the taxation angle, and the fact of generational change. The atmosphere regarding marijuana is changing.
 
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:+textinb3:+textinb3:+textinb3:maniac:
It was funny later, but I was terrified. All of my friends got the giggles as he was walking up to the car while I thought I was going to pee on the hot bowl I just had to shove down my shorts. :blink:

Oh, and for the record, she didn't run the light because she was stoned. That light is notorious for going almost right from green to red...with a brief flash of yellow in between. When she saw the yellow, she tried to stop, but it had just started raining, so she skidded a little. Rather than screach to a halt, she just tried to make it through. She did not, however, see the state trooper...none of us did. THAT you can blame on the pot. :LMAO
 
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Aww that hurt...if you could only say the things you say behind a keyboard in the real world.

Sorry, I like clean strong lungs, if you wanna drop dead early that's fine with me :finger004

...you're obviously some lonely scumbag (I've seen enough of your drunken posts to realize that)
I'd say it to your face.

And for your info, I don't smoke.

As far as the "lonely scumbag" goes, well, if I have you, Journeyman, a stiff and tout who admittedly doesn't even bet on sports, calling me a names sorry, but you have no room to speak.

Are you going to start actually betting on sports now that you may have customers paying you for your picks? Get your ass to the non-smoking section!
 
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I'm all for legalization, but the problem here will be the issue of driving as there is no present objective test to determine if someone is under the influence of marijuana. If they can make such a test, legalization will be much easier. Many will say...."hey I drive better stoned"....it simply isn't true. The question is if more people would drive stoned if it were legal than already drive stoned...
Use the same tests that are used now. My side of the bar thinks the Field Sobriety Tests are voodoo and hogwash anyway, but the state keeps getting convictions based on officer testimony regarding the performance on the FSTs. The point is, I'm not sure that marijuana "intoxication" (if that's what you want to call it), causes one to lose the normal use of their mental or physical faculties to the point where they cannot operate a motor vehicle safely. I don't smoke it, so I'm probably not the best authority on the matter.
 
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Believe it or not, the looming financial crisis will assist in the legalization effort. As states' budgets come under increasing pressure, the money spent on corrections will tighten up. One BIG way to save on corrections costs is to stop locking up marijuana users. Then consider the taxation angle, and the fact of generational change. The atmosphere regarding marijuana is changing.
Huh, that was good info. Thanks!

BUT, I really do have an inner ear problem. There are days that I couldn't stand on one leg if you paid me. As I said before, I have a pretty bad driving anxiety problem. The scenario of a cop thinking I'm drunk when I'm not is one that I run over and over in my head. I don't know why, but it's a big worry of mine. Plus, cops make me absurdly nervous. I mean, if one pulls out behind me...I WILL go into a panick attack....then start panicking more when I realize if I pull over, he'll probably stop to ask why...and I'll definitely look strung out on something. And I'm talking about when I have absolutely nothing to worry about. Anywho, that's why I was asking....just trying to calm my own fear...and failing. :doh1


I wish more people realized that driving under the infuence of perscription drugs is illegal. I know some peole so pumped full of meds that they should even be on a scooter. :blink:
 
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Re: What Michael Phelps should have said- Reason Magazine

I'd say it to your face.

And for your info, I don't smoke.

As far as the "lonely scumbag" goes, well, if I have you, Journeyman, a stiff and tout who admittedly doesn't even bet on sports, calling me a names sorry, but you have no room to speak.

Are you going to start actually betting on sports now that you may have customers paying you for your picks? Get your ass to the non-smoking section!
You're a ghost poster, hiding behind an old name that obviously wasn't worth much.

What exactly do you do besides act like an idiot on these forums?

I don't bet on sports??? pfffft, I bet more on sports over the past decade than 99% of the posters.

Beedo nobody, I repeat NOBODY would notice you if you left, you wouldn't even be noticed if not for posting like a dumb drunk.
 
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Re: What Michael Phelps should have said- Reason Magazine

Huh, that was good info. Thanks!

BUT, I really do have an inner ear problem. There are days that I couldn't stand on one leg if you paid me. As I said before, I have a pretty bad driving anxiety problem. The scenario of a cop thinking I'm drunk when I'm not is one that I run over and over in my head. I don't know why, but it's a big worry of mine. Plus, cops make me absurdly nervous. I mean, if one pulls out behind me...I WILL go into a panick attack....then start panicking more when I realize if I pull over, he'll probably stop to ask why...and I'll definitely look strung out on something. And I'm talking about when I have absolutely nothing to worry about. Anywho, that's why I was asking....just trying to calm my own fear...and failing. :doh1


I wish more people realized that driving under the infuence of perscription drugs is illegal. I know some peole so pumped full of meds that they should even be on a scooter. :blink:
EVERYBODY gets nervous in a traffic stop. If you have been drinking, DON'T BLOW, DON'T BLOW, did I mention "don't blow?" If it proceeds to the point of performing sobriety tests, you are probably already going to be arrested, take the ride and lawyer up later. Caveat: the Horizontal Gaze Nystagmus test sometimes will satisfy the officer that you're not intoxicated and it will end right there. The other tests and a long Q & A session with the cop at the scene is normally just providing evidence against yourself.
 
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Re: What Michael Phelps should have said- Reason Magazine

You're a ghost poster, hiding behind an old name that obviously wasn't worth much.

What exactly do you do besides act like an idiot on these forums?

I don't bet on sports??? pfffft, I bet more on sports over the past decade than 99% of the posters.

Beedo nobody, I repeat NOBODY would notice you if you left, you wouldn't even be noticed if not for posting like a dumb drunk.
Obviously a ghost and obviously not worth much, eh? Obvious to you only.

I have very recently posted you don't on sports and haven't bet on sports for years.

Guess what, I'm not leaving and I don't post here for some imaginary notion of approval or validation that you seem accustomed to.

Why do you post here?
 
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