When Delaware SportsBooks open up for Fball we will all have to party there EOG style

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I'm IN
I'm IN91023i2ndw;l

The places that take bets can only be located (by Delaware law) to be in 3 locations: Delaware Park (A nice place) Dover Raceway (not so sure about) and Harrington (a dump from my memory). But HEY! Sports Betting!!!!!
 

Mammon

EOG Master
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There is nothing better than getting cash a minute after the game. I was in LV for the Superbowl and was first in line at the half to pound Ariz and over. I ran up a 1000$ tab with my buddy and 3 young vixens we picked up. The babe I was on bet 200 on the parlay with me and paid half of the tab with her winnings. Great times. She was the last nineteen year old with a fake id I will ever have at 4o now.
 
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If they allow straight wagers, it will be so CROWDED on Fridays -Sundays; better bet on Wed or Thursday. Was reading that they are waiting for the Delaware Supreme Court to rule on If the wagers must be lottery style or Vegas style. Not sure exactly what they are waiting on.
 

Flamingo kid

Everybody's hands go UP!
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If they allow straight wagers is the key.
 

Mammon

EOG Master
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they did it for straight wagers. They know Parlay won't bring in $$
 
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News reports suggest they have been debating if straight wagering should be considered mostly skill or mostly random. If they decide it's mostly skill then straight wagering won't be permitted because of the state constitution, which only permits state sponsored gambling that is random (and sports betting will end up taking the form a parlay lottery -- which is fucking lame). It seems they are also debating whether they should even issue an opinion in the first place because the it is a new law that hasn't been implemented. It's sort of the same scenario as when iMEGA's original lawsuit against he UIGEA was passed over by a court because, at the time, the rules/implementation didn't exist. Either way, the NFL is just waiting for their most advantageous time to sue Delaware. Yep, fuck the NFL.
 
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It seems to me that if the Delaware Supreme Court rules single game wagering is "skill" ( and I doubt they will); that opens a pandora's box for all states to legalize games of skill--if THE STATE SO WISHES. If picking one game is "skill", but picking 2 or 3 games is luck---something's burning!
 
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It seems to me that if the Delaware Supreme Court rules single game wagering is "skill" ( and I doubt they will); that opens a pandora's box for all states to legalize games of skill--if THE STATE SO WISHES. If picking one game is "skill", but picking 2 or 3 games is luck---something's burning!
The PASPA stands in the way of all but Delaware, Montana, Nevada and Oregon. I don?t think there is anyone claiming it?s not gambling, but rather is it the type of gambling that is mostly skill or mostly luck. So either way, the PASPA prevents both types of betting on sports in all but the grandfathered states.

And I think I agree with you about if picking one game is ?skill? then how in the hell does a parlay magically become mostly ?luck?. It doesn?t make sense to me but this isn?t the first time this exact same argument has been presented to the courts. In 1977, the NFL convinced Delaware?s Supreme Court of this very thing. As a result, a parlay lottery was implemented and it failed after about a year. 32 years later and it?s d?j? vu, all over again...
 
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The PASPA stands in the way of all but Delaware, Montana, Nevada and Oregon. I don?t think there is anyone claiming it?s not gambling, but rather is it the type of gambling that is mostly skill or mostly luck. So either way, the PASPA prevents both types of betting on sports in all but the grandfathered states.

And I think I agree with you about if picking one game is ?skill? then how in the hell does a parlay magically become mostly ?luck?. It doesn?t make sense to me but this isn?t the first time this exact same argument has been presented to the courts. In 1977, the NFL convinced Delaware?s Supreme Court of this very thing. As a result, a parlay lottery was implemented and it failed after about a year. 32 years later and it?s d?j? vu, all over again...
Beebo-we agree on the one game theory (luck-skill ). Has the US Supreme Court ever ruled on luck's defination when it comes to gambling. We can forget sports in this question for now. I know you're correct on the states which were grandfathered in for sports wagering. The central question becomes luck or skill in Delaware's case. But what about the defination as applied to non-sports wagering. (I'm still having a problem with "sports",) but will abandon that for now and key in on the luck-skill issue.
 
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Don't think straight wagering will be allowed....I hope so, but it doesn't look like that is the case...
 
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I have already talked to someone in Delaware about their sportsbook/lottery management vacancy. Since I am apparently overqualified (I get that for some reason), I fully expect the "thank you for your consideration letter" shortly. I guess my promise of porn stars, overtaking Vegas, and legit media cred was too much for them. C'est la vie.
 
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when I was young the ho's would wear pink bunny ears. I met a girl pink on pink with pink bunny ears and all she wanted was a Mark 'eaton rookie car d

The tri statemall
She was no a ho but prbably 17 but 'I was only 21
 
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Beebo-we agree on the one game theory (luck-skill ). Has the US Supreme Court ever ruled on luck's defination when it comes to gambling. We can forget sports in this question for now. I know you're correct on the states which were grandfathered in for sports wagering. The central question becomes luck or skill in Delaware's case. But what about the defination as applied to non-sports wagering. (I'm still having a problem with "sports",) but will abandon that for now and key in on the luck-skill issue.
From what I understand, Delaware?s state constitution explicitly states that all state-run gambling must be of the random type. I would like to have a look at exactly how it is worded (maybe it?s available on online?), but I have a suspicion that way back whenever the issue of gambling was written into Delaware?s constitution, they wrote a very specific definition of what is and what is not ?gambling?. The NFL points their finger at the black and white letter of the law and says ?Ah ha!?. Poker, for example, might be a good example of a form of gambling that arguably requires a significant amount of skill. Delaware, it seems, would not permit Poker, I guess. Interestingly, the Poker-as-mostly-skill argument was used a lot by the Poker player groups to try and get a carve-out in the UIGEA, but they failed. With Barney Frank?s new bill that would legalize and regulate online (non-sportsbetting) gambling for US players, Poker is given a green light and all the Poker lobbying groups are supporting it; even Vegas in supporting the new legislation. But sportsbetting, luck or skill, I don?t think the lawmakers care (except in Delaware) either way. It?s still the red-headed step-child they lock in the basement, beat with a stick and feed crackers and water to, LOL.
 
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A good side-effect if this gets passed with straight-wagering, would be New Jersey would get jealous and be likely to pass similar legislation. There has been some complaining on this topic in at least one NJ newspaper.
 
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A good side-effect if this gets passed with straight-wagering, would be New Jersey would get jealous and be likely to pass similar legislation. There has been some complaining on this topic in at least one NJ newspaper.

nj has filec suit to get it already
 
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:+textinb3:+textinb3on both counts...

New Jersey will get straight wagering before Delaware...

Great but 1 or both will be up for week 1 nfl.\


I got to be happy since AC is 5 minutes closer.
 
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610 says its done deal. you in africa may be behind especially as your superior gets the Delware park job.
 
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How long will it take mofome and The Shrink to have their limits reduced in Delaware? "Uh oh - it's -them- again"! :)
 
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How long will it take mofome and The Shrink to have their limits reduced in Delaware? "Uh oh - it's -them- again"! :)
do yuo ever not kissssssssssss assssssssssss
 
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nj has filec suit to get it already
Don't confuse NJ laws with THE federal laws. By that, Delaware (via Federal law CAN have Sports wagering). The only hang up is --what type via the Delaware laws... New Jersey has to ask the Federal goverment to overtun the Federal law which only allows 4 states to play in the "sports wagering" game. Delaware has it's internal laws which beedo has explained, have conflicts... It's all so ridiculous. Truly hope this will inspire New Jersey to bring suit or whatever they must do to get it overtuned. But when NJ wins (if so) ALL states do (probably).
 
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What I really don't understand is : The Delaware Lawmakers! (Are they not lawyers that can understand the State law? They have to ask the Supreme Court --AFTER they pass a law --"how can we do this"?
 
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What I really don't understand is : The Delaware Lawmakers! (Are they not lawyers that can understand the State law? They have to ask the Supreme Court --AFTER they pass a law --"how can we do this"?
Yeah, I hear you. I read an Associated Press article that said one of the major topics the judges were debating (besides the luck vs. skill issue), was if they should even offer any opinion at all. So they are arguing whether or not they should have an opinion. :doh1
 
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Yeah, I hear you. I read an Associated Press article that said one of the major topics the judges were debating (besides the luck vs. skill issue), was if they should even offer any opinion at all. So they are arguing whether or not they should have an opinion. :doh1
If this is all resolved before the 2009 NFL season begins; WOW to the 100th power!
Side note--the NFL sueing them is dead in the water... (they can raise prices, etc etc. They have to pay lawyers regardless)
 
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I have already talked to someone in Delaware about their sportsbook/lottery management vacancy. Since I am apparently overqualified (I get that for some reason), I fully expect the "thank you for your consideration letter" shortly. I guess my promise of porn stars, overtaking Vegas, and legit media cred was too much for them. C'est la vie.
Good Luck to you.
By the grapevine, have heard that Harrah's Vegas man is a little long in the tooth-- this falls through. But stay on the East Coast if possible..:cheers
 
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Let's say for argument that Delaware gets straight betting...what will the limit be? Will they take totals or run lines? What rules will be in place?

Just way too many rules and regulations to take straight bets at all...looks like parlay cards to me with Atlantic City fighting to get real legalized gambling in the future...
 
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either way the NFL is gonna sue and try to prevent this from happening....
 
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NFL: Delaware should brace for sports-betting lawsuit



By CRIS BARRISH • Gannett News Service • May 22, 2009
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on Thursday that studies show those who bet on sporting events consistently win more than half the time.

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"That's not luck. That's skill," Kenneth J. Nachbar, a Wilmington attorney representing the league, told the justices.

Arguments by America's most powerful sports league against Delaware's new sports betting law consumed only five minutes of the hour-long hearing, but constituted the NFL's latest bid to derail a plan that Gov. Jack Markell hopes to have operating at the state's three racetrack casinos by the first kickoff in September.

Nachbar told the justices the law might soon be challenged in a state or federal lawsuit.

"I think that it may not have such a long wait,'' Nachbar said.

After the hearing, the lawyer stopped short of saying the league was prepared to sue Delaware, but said "all the sports leagues have looked at this.''

The state constitution bans all forms of gambling except lotteries under state control for the purpose of raising money. Slot machines at the so-called "racinos" that have operated in Delaware since 1995 are considered "video lottery terminals." Markell asked the high court to issue an advisory opinion on the law that he signed last Friday after it overwhelmingly passed the General Assembly. An advisory opinion by the Supreme <NOBR id=itxt_nobr_6_0 style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 100%">Court
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would guide the rulings of lower state courts in any lawsuit.

Chief Justice Myron T. Steele said members would issue a ruling "as quickly as possible." The court could make a determination of the law's constitutionality or decide not to pass judgment.

The NFL unsuccessfully sued the state in 1976 to stop what turned out to be a short-lived sports lottery plagued by betting lines some said were too high or low. The betting line, also known as the point spread, is the number of points by which one team is favored to win.

Thursday's highly anticipated hearing was crammed with more than three dozen lawyers, several reporters and a few members of the public.
 
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NFL: Delaware should brace for sports-betting lawsuit



By CRIS BARRISH ? Gannett News Service ? May 22, 2009
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on Thursday that studies show those who bet on sporting events consistently win more than half the time.

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"That's not luck. That's skill," Kenneth J. Nachbar, a Wilmington attorney representing the league, told the justices.

Arguments by America's most powerful sports league against Delaware's new sports betting law consumed only five minutes of the hour-long hearing, but constituted the NFL's latest bid to derail a plan that Gov. Jack Markell hopes to have operating at the state's three racetrack casinos by the first kickoff in September.

Nachbar told the justices the law might soon be challenged in a state or federal lawsuit.

"I think that it may not have such a long wait,'' Nachbar said.

After the hearing, the lawyer stopped short of saying the league was prepared to sue Delaware, but said "all the sports leagues have looked at this.''

The state constitution bans all forms of gambling except lotteries under state control for the purpose of raising money. Slot machines at the so-called "racinos" that have operated in Delaware since 1995 are considered "video lottery terminals." Markell asked the high court to issue an advisory opinion on the law that he signed last Friday after it overwhelmingly passed the General Assembly. An advisory opinion by the Supreme <NOBR style="FONT-SIZE: 100%; FONT-WEIGHT: normal" id=itxt_nobr_6_0>Court
</NOBR>
would guide the rulings of lower state courts in any lawsuit.

Chief Justice Myron T. Steele said members would issue a ruling "as quickly as possible." The court could make a determination of the law's constitutionality or decide not to pass judgment.

The NFL unsuccessfully sued the state in 1976 to stop what turned out to be a short-lived sports lottery plagued by betting lines some said were too high or low. The betting line, also known as the point spread, is the number of points by which one team is favored to win.

Thursday's highly anticipated hearing was crammed with more than three dozen lawyers, several reporters and a few members of the public.
I learn't me summin here. Call me stupid, but if lawmakers IN DELAWARE can pass a law legalizing sports betting, those same lawmakers could overturn whatever internal law in Delaware, that is causing all this heartburn. But I know that probably makes too much sense to EVER happen.
 
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When Oregon had sports gambling it was parlay style and it was not well received by the public. They had both NFL and the NBA (excluding the Trailblazers).

It began in 1989 and was discontinued in 2005.
 
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Let's say for argument that Delaware gets straight betting...what will the limit be? Will they take totals or run lines? What rules will be in place?

Just way too many rules and regulations to take straight bets at all...looks like parlay cards to me with Atlantic City fighting to get real legalized gambling in the future...
One of the news articles about this actually stated that if straight wagering were allowed then the state would contract out the actual running of the book to a "licensed sportsbook", whatever the F that means.. Vegas books running Delaware books? Maybe so..
 
#39
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When Oregon had sports gambling it was parlay style and it was not well received by the public. They had both NFL and the NBA (excluding the Trailblazers).

It began in 1989 and was discontinued in 2005.
yeah, I think it's pretty obvious to anybody who likes to bet on sports that these parlay-lotteries are really not what any players are interested in. They are just so lame. The lawmakers though, who are completely out of touch with reality, just don't get it.
 
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When Oregon had sports gambling it was parlay style and it was not well received by the public. They had both NFL and the NBA (excluding the Trailblazers).

It began in 1989 and was discontinued in 2005.
The parlay-lottery Delaware originally had in 1977 only last a year before it was shutdown because it was losing money. From what I've read, one of the main reasons it failed was because they didn't move the lines to keep up with Vegas. The general public ignored the parlay-lottery and the few people who did play it beat the shit out of the stale lines! :+textinb3
 
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