He is far off. A tout is someone who directly gets paid for a pick regardless if that said pick wins (in most cases).
JK runs a forum. The forum receives income from advertisers.
And furthermore, his own selections have a documented winning percentage for over a year.
You really became a jackoff
The forum receives income from advertisers
The question was posed to me so i thought i would ask, its not me attacking him but a simple debate.
The forum recievies money from posters depositing/losing. Not many books posting flat fee's these days
Not that it has any bearing but did not know this. Please explain how that works
JK does my laundry, too. Back the fuck off.
However you risk sending your posters to slaughter with new books, examples are Synbet.
5 years ago Sportsbooks were begging to pay flat advertising fee's to be on a forum during the "high peeks" off the Offshore Gambling world. Now books wanna run affiliate deals only because people just are not posting up alot these days. Why pay a flat fee when you just offer a kickback on posters losses to these forums. Its the same as me putting you into a book, im not gonna do it for just my free time, i will expect some sorta return if you lose. There are a few books who still pay a flat fee, but its few and far between and a thing of the past.
You get a new book that pops up, that people are not already signed up thru and you push the shit out of it as you get them linked thru your forum, you get the kickbacks as far as the affiliate deal goes, its not a one time thing, that poster is now attached to your sheet and you get the % back till the very end..
However you risk sending your posters to slaughter with new books, examples are Synbet.
Vegas would be a better place to live if there were more John Kelly's here.
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I think the sports advisory bisness gets a bad rap. There is some bad apples out there, but like Mark Simons said a lot of good honest handicappers who spend lots of time and hvae lots of talent.
I think the sports advisory bisness gets a bad rap. There is some bad apples out there, but like Mark Simons said a lot of good honest handicappers who spend lots of time and hvae lots of talent.
I think the sports advisory bisness gets a bad rap. There is some bad apples out there, but like Mark Simons said a lot of good honest handicappers who spend lots of time and hvae lots of talent.
JK is not a tout. He justs gives his opinion on games. Whether or not you play his selections
is fine with him. Vegas would be a better place to live if there were more John Kelly's here.
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Ray, I know in my own case I have given that answer at least 2 dozen times here, but the fact is, some do not believe it, nor consider it reasonable, so they perceive it to be unreasonable. So, here goes again. I do it because I like it; it, being rated versus other cappers, it, because it gives me credibility in that I am monitored instead of just blow harding some exaggerated percentage, it because I like the spirit of competition, and it because I do not mind giving some otherwise losers a reasonable shot of winning over the long term. I make a few thousand dollars a year off of VI which in the grand scheme of things is so ridiculously small compared to what I wager and what my time is worth. For the record, I have been invited on other sites and I have turned them down because I do not want the responsibility of having to put picks up on a daily basis or sit there copy and pasting. There you have it and while I know there are very few cappers like me, there may be a few of us out there.I've been fair w you always. I ask every tout this and have yet to receive a reasonable answer. .....If you can make money betting your games, why do you have to sell them?
I've been fair w you always. I ask every tout this and have yet to receive a reasonable answer. .....If you can make money betting your games, why do you have to sell them?
Ray, I know in my own case I have given that answer at least 2 dozen times here, but the fact is, some do not believe it, nor consider it reasonable, so they perceive it to be unreasonable. So, here goes again. I do it because I like it; it, being rated versus other cappers, it, because it gives me credibility in that I am monitored instead of just blow harding some exaggerated percentage, it because I like the spirit of competition, and it because I do not mind giving some otherwise losers a reasonable shot of winning over the long term. I make a few thousand dollars a year off of VI which in the grand scheme of things is so ridiculously small compared to what I wager and what my time is worth. For the record, I have been invited on other sites and I have turned them down because I do not want the responsibility of having to put picks up on a daily basis or sit there copy and pasting. There you have it and while I know there are very few cappers like me, there may be a few of us out there.
Well said.....
Without JK here, this forum probably wouldn't exist anymore...JK doesn't earn a penny from the members, unlike the Shrink....
.... you can't help it if 98% of the guys in your profession are scum-bags..
We get it- he stiffed some of your pals down South. But the man is dead... and he was the one who hired JK in the first place.
My point is that JK doesn't earn a dime from any loses from posters...he is not a tout....has absolutely nothing to do with who the Shrink stiffed or who hired who....JK promotes EOG along with Gaming in the Las Vegas community and on the airwaves....
Well said.....
Without JK here, this forum probably wouldn't exist anymore...JK doesn't earn a penny from the members, unlike the Shrink....
...JK doesn't earn a penny from the members, unlike the Shrink....
I've been fair w you always. I ask every tout this and have yet to receive a reasonable answer. .....If you can make money betting your games, why do you have to sell them?
I never once even thought about it till it was brought up to me in the form of a question, the thread wasnt started because i think JK is some scumbag tout, it was started to get others opinions of the question. However after pondering about it, i can see some sorta relation in it all. He not a direct tout, but in a way he uses his influence to bring people to the site from picks/blogs/radio show. People pay to support the site, which pays JK's salary. Its just the facts
This site or any forum in general wouldnt be open if it wasnt for the members supporting it, yes JK does earn off the members of this site in-directly
This is always the silliest question to ask someone to me.
Would it apply to the other mods who post plays as well Tuck? Indirectly they're all paid the same was as Kelly, are they also touts using your definition here?