DO YOU THINK SPORTS BOOKS SHOULD INTERACT WITH US ON THE FORUMS?

THE SHRINK

THE SHRINK

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This is a highly debatable subject as some sports books will not engage on posting forums, whereas others tell me it has benefited them tremendously as far as customer acquisition and retention is concerned...

Personally, I LOVE seeing a representative from a quality sports book interact with us, but often the ones who don't, tell me they might put themselves in a LOSE-LOSE situation by posting...

Also, just because a sports book replies doen't mean they are any SAFER as past history points out. I remember CAMELOT'S owner, Mark Dell was quite the poster, yet his book went belly up...

Overall, I do think it is to a sports book's advantage to post because it makes me feel that if a dispute arises, they won't hide behind their monitor thousands of miles away...

But then again, if they conducted themselves porrly on here, it would scare me to do business with them...

Your thoughts?

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Sam Odom

Sam Odom

EOG Master
I can only think of a handful of active book/posters. Most all ended belly up.

Mark D
Bill/Lance
Freddog

Come to mind:+signs9-1
 
dirty

dirty

EOG Master
I have 2 views


Yes in that it proves what Shrink was saying about it builds loyalty and close personal relationships...and makes players feel Safer with those books.....as long as they are solid like the one's here.



But by doin that it Can Cause a Negative disruption as well....What is one of the guys that Interacts with a Book Rep has a problem with getting paid on a Bet. They Hemhaw around and The book Decides to Honor it's decision no to pay it. Then it pisses the player off if he feels he is right and could claim that the book took advantage of him becuase of his relationship with the book. Causes alot of hard feelings and could cost the book some accounts if the player is well respected. Kinda like Lending money to a friend....If something goes wrong then their are no winners.
 
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JJGOLD

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I love forum presence.

I even liked when Uncle Lenny use to post

Also when Ricky posts from DB its nice

G-J posts and gets good repsonses

They would do better if they posted.
 
Bucky

Bucky

EOG Dedicated
Absolutely, but, I think the privacy of a posting name is essential. The offshore person does not need to disclose the book where he or she might work. Anything, that promotes integrity and fair play on both sides of the fence is worthwhile. I enjoy talking to someone who works offshore.

That being said there are certainly trade secrets on both sides of the fence. But, an awareness of a problem and the desire to be fair to playerws is a big advertiseing tool.

No sportsbook is immune to a rhubarb once in a while. The times I have read responses from Spiro and WSEX-Steve I could see they were top notch. They might have been pretty upset inside but they calmly made a response.

On the other hand Pissed off Eddie Hadeed, NAB Bill, & Mark Del got quite excited and did not come off as solid as a rock. They did not exude confidence in their fiscal responsiblity but I am glad they were on the forums for me to see.
 
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RPM

EOG Veteran
if im choosing between two books to post up at, if one posts on the forums and the other doesnt, im going to post up with the one that posts on the forums....
 
MadCapper

MadCapper

Head <in> Moderation
Lets not forget the books that had great forum rpesence and then went under.

Blue Marlin
Pan Am

More I think.
 
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CapnHandi

EOG Addicted
I think it's good for books to have a forum presence, I'm sure they lurk. I put books in the same class as touts, they should be welcome if they post in a productive way and are not defensive or promotional.
 
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pioneer

EOG Dedicated
The verb "should" implies some kind of moral compulsion or in their best interest. Sportsbooks should not have to interact with us in these forums, but I would certainly appreciate it if they did and feel that it would be in their best interests to do so. The high frequency of idiots posting in these forums is obviously a deterrent to their posting here.
 
Bucky

Bucky

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Yah, JJ, I heard the story before when you were in grade school you were so bright your mother called you Sunny!

:+signs99-
 
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opotus

EOG Veteran
I can't decide. The pros and cons that all have laid out are tough to choose from. As a poster, I have more to gain, less to lose if books posted. But from their vantage point, they have more to lose and less to gain (I think) overall. One bad exchange with a person who feels wronged, or a poorly worded discussion and their whole forum presence could be shot.
 
THE SHRINK

THE SHRINK

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I believe it is advantageous for us to see how a representative from a sports book handles himself on these forums...

Often, the way they treat or abuse posters can be an indicator of how they will behave off-line...

Millenium comes to mind as a perfect example of a sports book to avoid and here's why...

For many years, the owner behaves as if he is my best Friend...

Then, when I refuse to accept their advertising dollars on EOG because of their close relationship to BOS, he flips out and let's us all see another side of his personality that isn't very pleasant...

Not having MILLENIUM on this website wasn't personal either. It was strictly a business decision we made at the time because we wanted only the BEST SPORTS BOOKS to appear on EOG...

Interpretation: IF a sports book behaves sporadically and unpredictably on these forums, they will more than likely turn on you, too and should be avoided...

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The General

The General

Another Day, Another Dollar
Yes, they can benefit from it. I could do a nice job representing a book on forum. I don't come cheap, but just saying. For me to do it and make it be very successful for the book I would need a monetary value to spend if needed, especially for a dispute. The best way to handle a dispute is to meet it head on with an open-mind. You have to have someone who enjoys the forums and has some interpersonal skills. It would be hard for a high-up do it because they already have plate fulls to deal with.
 
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CapnHandi

EOG Addicted
You'd be great General.

I think whenever books do have a dispute that isn't settled quickly and fairly, it's likely to end up on a forum with the book being the loser in reputation most of the time.

I've had trouble with books like them "forgetting" there was a pitching change in baseball. One email to them cleared it up quickly but still made me think, "Were they trying to screw me or don't they have enough business to have noticed?" If I didn't get a reasonable response I would've aired it in public.
 
MadCapper

MadCapper

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THE SHRINK said:
I believe it is advantageous for us to see how a representative from a sports book handles himself on these forums...

Often, the way they treat or abuse posters can be an indicator of how they will behave off-line...

Millenium comes to mind as a perfect example of a sports book to avoid and here's why...

For many years, the owner behaves as if he is my best Friend...

Then, when I refuse to accept their advertising dollars on EOG because of their close relationship to BOS, he flips out and let's us all see another side of his personality that isn't very pleasant...

Not having MILLENIUM on this website wasn't personal either. It was strictly a business decision we made at the time because we wanted only the BEST SPORTS BOOKS to appear on EOG...

Interpretation: IF a sports book behaves sporadically and unpredictably on these forums, they will more than likely turn on you, too and should be avoided...

THE SHRINK
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Its very ironic how the RX brass knocks THE SHRINK for alledgedly "buying" posters yet they were so easily bought off by a crap book like BOS!

Not to mention the RX paying off ACE-ACE to post too.

:+signs11-
 
wantitall4moi

wantitall4moi

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Books can't win in the forums period. If they NEED to post in the forums, then they aren't a book you want anyways.

There are always two sides to a story, but generally speaking most guys are anti book. So no matter what the books will get hammered.

You think Oly would have not gotten slammed worse if someone came in and defended their stance on that IRL race? A statement would have been nice, but not a back and forth. Especially if they made statements that they believed were right, that actually swayed guys AWAY from their side. They have made comments in the past, but more or less fluff stuff, but when countered with FACT and EXAMPLES of stuff they disappear. Doesn't make them look that good IMO, but since they are above reproach for some reason, thenthey get a free pass.

But if they continued to make their arguments I am sure more and more people would see what others see in regards to them. You canonly put the blinders on so long, before FACT comes into play.

You yourself (Shrink) no that, your past is littered with places that have posted in the forums, have had your irrefuteable seal of approval, and continued endorsement, all the while they were circling the drain. The sheep followed and believed until it was impossible for them to do so.

So like i say, books that NEED to defend themselves, and post here in relation to how they do business, or in regards to perceived problems, are books that either have those probelms or think they will lose what few people they have if they do not, so out of desperation they do post. trying to save what little bit they might have.

It is a lose lose situation for them. Mostly becuase they deserve the criticism they get. if they didn't they wouldn't need to post.
 
MadCapper

MadCapper

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Heres my simple question.

Why is it that the 2 books held in the highest regard by posters and mods at these forums (Pinnacle and Olympic) never feel the need to have a forum posting presence?
 
AK

AK

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Filibuster said:
Heres my simple question.

Why is it that the 2 books held in the highest regard by posters and mods at these forums (Pinnacle and Olympic) never feel the need to have a forum posting presence?
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Cause there busy spending there money they made from you last week. :mutley
 
wantitall4moi

wantitall4moi

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Filibuster said:
Heres my simple question.

Why is it that the 2 books held in the highest regard by posters and mods at these forums (Pinnacle and Olympic) never feel the need to have a forum posting presence?
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Chris was in here for awhile, but he couldn't answer any questions with answers, and I haven't seen him since.
 
kidslick

kidslick

EOG Dedicated
It is a lose lose situation for them. Mostly becuase they deserve the criticism they get. if they didn't they wouldn't need to post.
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ok how many books feel like they are getting strong-holded because a poster says his prop bet was graded wrong or it was questionable at best and it should be a no-play.

to active posters next door are BJ (HOLLYWOOD) and rio shill
2 solid shops.. hope to see both of them
advertise here. wink wink


also how does it look when betmill /mill sports used to bash the owner of the site and posters.....yeahh that's a book i would sign up with :(




 
Jimmy Hoffa

Jimmy Hoffa

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I have mixed feeling about this. Currentlty a Matchbook rep has been posting elsewhere and answering questions specific to exchange wagering. The rep has been both informative and polite with NO shilling.

Also seen elsewhere was a Trojan rep doing some minor shilling and alot of tap dancing around specific questions.

There is unfortunately enough shilling done for the books by mods in the forums (albeit more subtly here) as it is.

If a forum rep showed up to answer a specific question or comment I would have no problem with it as long as the shilling is NOT allowed.
 
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Joe

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Great topic.

First off, to keep the record straight, there are MANY sportsbook employees who post anonymously. They are a WEALTH of information and I would like to thank them all for their participation (even the ones I banned... lol)

So the question really is whether a book should post as itself.

Shrink is absoultely correct

"I believe it is advantageous for us to see how a representative from a sports book handles himself on these forums...

Often, the way they treat or abuse posters can be an indicator of how they will behave off-line..."

From a gamblers perspective, it is a GREAT BENEFIT to see an active sportsbook presence.

From a books perspective I think it would only benefit them if they are CLEAN. Any crap that they pulled or continue to pull will only come back to bite them in the ass.

Also, it would be very intelligent on their part to have someone with a clue about customer service post on their behalf (HINT, HINT, HINT).
 
THE SHRINK

THE SHRINK

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Filibuster said:
Heres my simple question.

Why is it that the 2 books held in the highest regard by posters and mods at these forums (Pinnacle and Olympic) never feel the need to have a forum posting presence?
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Maybe it's because they have absolutely nothing to gain, but everything to lose if they come across poorly?
 
kidslick

kidslick

EOG Dedicated
kidslick said:
ok how many books feel like they are getting strong-holded because a poster says his prop bet was graded wrong or it was questionable at best and it should be a no-play.

to active posters next door are BJ (HOLLYWOOD) and rio shill
2 solid shops.. hope to see both of them
advertise here. wink wink


also how does it look when betmill /mill sports used to bash the owner of the site and posters.....yeahh that's a book i would sign up with :(
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ahh that was a classic quote by me about betmill

what a P.O.S (PIECE OF SHIT ) they are
 
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