How could eog Maximize its potential

#1
Opinions from Marketing ideas, to content ideas, to contests, to knew forums, to additions to the team, to policy changes.

What do you think?
 

janus

EOG Dedicated
#2
Re: How could eog Maximize its potential

become a place where gamblers can go to find information about books they can trust, and not just your sponsor list. sbr has that market cornered.

that's the way forums used to operate & it was a great service. forums were player representatives in an uncertain offshore world, like an agent almost.
 
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joeybagadonuts

Guest
#3
Re: How could eog Maximize its potential

become a place where gamblers can go to find information about books they can trust, and not just your sponsor list. sbr has that market cornered.

that's the way forums used to operate & it was a great service. forums were player advocates in an uncertain offshore world.
Yup, I agree with this, but as Ken as stated, EOG is not a "watch dog" site. It's a business. I think posters can also help one another by continuing to point out scalps between "trusted books" (after they bet them, of course)

I do think that posters keeping the forum up to date with their dealings with books is always good (as long as they aren't being paid to say so)

I also think a way to cut down on mod time/marketing costs is encouraging posters to do their own contests (like what is shaping up in 5star's MLB post) we all post up at a book, have them grade the plays in the thread, and pay out the winners. Saves EOG and sponsors $, allows the rest of posters to see what your real strong plays are, and its a way to PROVE how winning posters are, which allows others to make $ with you.
 
#5
Re: How could eog Maximize its potential

Yup, I agree with this, but as Ken as stated, EOG is not a "watch dog" site. It's a business. I think posters can also help one another by continuing to point out scalps between "trusted books" (after they bet them, of course)

I do think that posters keeping the forum up to date with their dealings with books is always good (as long as they aren't being paid to say so)

I also think a way to cut down on mod time/marketing costs is encouraging posters to do their own contests (like what is shaping up in 5star's MLB post) we all post up at a book, have them grade the plays in the thread, and pay out the winners. Saves EOG and sponsors $, allows the rest of posters to see what your real strong plays are, and its a way to PROVE how winning posters are, which allows others to make $ with you.

Post up contests would be nice to see. I see a lot of barking on the board, not much bite.

OSU and I talk it and walk it. More of that would be fun to see.
 
#6
Re: How could eog Maximize its potential

I tried with Adam. Did not happen. Those type of contests are fun though.

Best Wishes...OF :+waving-5


Got access to a time machine?
 
#8
Re: How could eog Maximize its potential

What if we had a contest where everyone was extended some sort of credit. They could use the credit and challenge each other.

say everyone starts with 10K in credit, every play is worth $200. People challenge each other and build up their credit or lose their credit. Standings are kept and you can only challenge someone who is within 10 points of your ranking and you can not refuse a challenge from someone who is ranked above you. Max matchups per day is one per poster.

Thats the premise.
 
#9
Re: How could eog Maximize its potential

Here's what my "basic battle plan" would be to help "make EOG successful":

1- Consistency. The same rules apply to everyone, whether you're a newbie, a regular, a mod, or whomever. Picks go in the picks forum, create a "child forum" (subforum) for all the top 10, circle jerk stuff.

2- Give the Mods a "schedule". And before the cuts, same thing for the paid posters. Mods and paid help should encourage conversations, ask questions, ask for opinions, ect... but shouldn't "dominate the forum".

No reason for any Mod or paid poster to be on the forum 16-18 hours a day, "reaching" for things to post about or commenting in every thread. It's overkill imo.

And I would assign one or two days a week for each Mod that they wouldn't be allowed to post in the Main Forum. They can only post in the other parts of the forum to get them into the habit of not "living in the Main Forum".

3- Each Mod should concentrate on what they are good at. If a Mod is a sharp football capper, concentrate on capping the games and getting discussion started there (example Gyno. Did a great job in the picks forums
). If a Mod's niche is bs'ing with the posters, bs with the posters.

4- Mods and paid help should be doing more than just posting. Assign two or three to promote the forum elsewhere, assign a couple to go out and contact new books and other new forms of advertising....which ties right into.....

with the offshore environment as it is right now, looks to other forms of building revenue (find some good affiliate programs that pay good for referrals, build an Amazon store where all you're doing is selling their stuff and getting a cut
( http://webstore.amazon.com/Online-Store-FAQ/ ), plenty of other ways to generate revenue at a forum the size of EOG.

5- Reward the guys who add something positive to the forum, and stop rewarding those are doing stupid shit to make the rest of the forum and rest of the EOG team look bad. (And also those who are more interested in pushing and promoting themselves, instead of pushing and promoting EOG)

We'll never have the credibility we need if we are rewarding guys that stiff, guys that are making racial remarks, guys who are talking down to, cursing and insulting the posters.

And also put an end to the "Wolfpack/Clique mentaility". Stop ganging up on posters who have criticisms of the forum. Let 'em express themselves without beating the shit out of them.

6- When a Mod starts a thread asking for suggestions from the posting body, emplement some of the good ideas.

Seemed to me that each time one of us started a "Suggestions" thread, we'd get some good input from the posters, but it also seemed none of the ideas would ever come to fruition.

Gotta be willing to try new ideas. Give them a chance to work. If they don't work, you can always shitcan it later on. Nothing wrong with trying new ideas.

I've also found that the posters a lot of times "see things" we don't as Mods. We are so involved and "so deep in the woods", sometimes we don't see the forest for the trees. We DO need a fresh set of eyes to notice and comment on things from an outside and independant perspective.


7- Don't go back on your word.

This is more of an "Owner thing". If you say something, don't contradict yourself. (i.e. The J Man payment plan situation to TTinco)

Hurts credibility imo.

8- Form partnerships with other sites and blogs

Trade links and banners with some of these other sites that are not direct competitiors. It's not always about money and selling ads, exposing the site to a more diverse audience helps bring new blood to the site/forum.

9- Move the daily drama down to the Asylum and let the interested parties battle it out.

I think some of the drama stuff is relevent and should stay in the Main Forum if there's an actual debate taking place, even if it comes heated.

But the daily threads about the same old things that are nothing but name-calling back and forth, move it downstairs and let 'em fight and argue all day.

Rather not see it Main Forum on a daily basis.

10- Seen the suggestion of a "Think Tank or Technically Peep" type forum across the road.

I think it's a good idea. Give it a chance to work. It may catch on or it may not. But definately worth trying imo.

11- Do not allow stiffs and cheaters into the contests.

Simple enough imo. If someone is stiffing another poster, or is caught cheating in a contest, they are BANNED from participating in the contests.

This is just a basic outline on my part, and some of the things I actually suggested at one time or the other while at EOG.

So, take it fwiw and feel free to comment, agree or disagree
 

Sinickel

EOG Enthusiast
#10
Re: How could eog Maximize its potential

Here's what my "basic battle plan" would be to help "make EOG successful":

1- Consistency. The same rules apply to everyone, whether you're a newbie, a regular, a mod, or whomever. Picks go in the picks forum, create a "child forum" (subforum) for all the top 10, circle jerk stuff.

2- Give the Mods a "schedule". And before the cuts, same thing for the paid posters. Mods and paid help should encourage conversations, ask questions, ask for opinions, ect... but shouldn't "dominate the forum".

No reason for any Mod or paid poster to be on the forum 16-18 hours a day, "reaching" for things to post about or commenting in every thread. It's overkill imo.

And I would assign one or two days a week for each Mod that they wouldn't be allowed to post in the Main Forum. They can only post in the other parts of the forum to get them into the habit of not "living in the Main Forum".

3- Each Mod should concentrate on what they are good at. If a Mod is a sharp football capper, concentrate on capping the games and getting discussion started there (example Gyno. Did a great job in the picks forums
). If a Mod's niche is bs'ing with the posters, bs with the posters.

4- Mods and paid help should be doing more than just posting. Assign two or three to promote the forum elsewhere, assign a couple to go out and contact new books and other new forms of advertising....which ties right into.....

with the offshore environment as it is right now, looks to other forms of building revenue (find some good affiliate programs that pay good for referrals, build an Amazon store where all you're doing is selling their stuff and getting a cut ( http://webstore.amazon.com/Online-Store-FAQ/ ), plenty of other ways to generate revenue at a forum the size of EOG.

5- Reward the guys who add something positive to the forum, and stop rewarding those are doing stupid shit to make the rest of the forum and rest of the EOG team look bad. (And also those who are more interested in pushing and promoting themselves, instead of pushing and promoting EOG)

We'll never have the credibility we need if we are rewarding guys that stiff, guys that are making racial remarks, guys who are talking down to, cursing and insulting the posters.

And also put an end to the "Wolfpack/Clique mentaility". Stop ganging up on posters who have criticisms of the forum. Let 'em express themselves without beating the shit out of them.

6- When a Mod starts a thread asking for suggestions from the posting body, emplement some of the good ideas.

Seemed to me that each time one of us started a "Suggestions" thread, we'd get some good input from the posters, but it also seemed none of the ideas would ever come to fruition.

Gotta be willing to try new ideas. Give them a chance to work. If they don't work, you can always shitcan it later on. Nothing wrong with trying new ideas.

I've also found that the posters a lot of times "see things" we don't as Mods. We are so involved and "so deep in the woods", sometimes we don't see the forest for the trees. We DO need a fresh set of eyes to notice and comment on things from an outside and independant perspective.


7- Don't go back on your word.

This is more of an "Owner thing". If you say something, don't contradict yourself. (i.e. The J Man payment plan situation to TTinco)

Hurts credibility imo.

8- Form partnerships with other sites and blogs

Trade links and banners with some of these other sites that are not direct competitiors. It's not always about money and selling ads, exposing the site to a more diverse audience helps bring new blood to the site/forum.

9- Move the daily drama down to the Asylum and let the interested parties battle it out.

I think some of the drama stuff is relevent and should stay in the Main Forum if there's an actual debate taking place, even if it comes heated.

But the daily threads about the same old things that are nothing but name-calling back and forth, move it downstairs and let 'em fight and argue all day.

Rather not see it Main Forum on a daily basis.

10- Seen the suggestion of a "Think Tank or Technically Peep" type forum across the road.

I think it's a good idea. Give it a chance to work. It may catch on or it may not. But definately worth trying imo.

11- Do not allow stiffs and cheaters into the contests.

Simple enough imo. If someone is stiffing another poster, or is caught cheating in a contest, they are BANNED from participating in the contests.

This is just a basic outline on my part, and some of the things I actually suggested at one time or the other while at EOG.

So, take it fwiw and feel free to comment, agree or disagree

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ATSDatabase

EOG Enthusiast
#11
Re: How could eog Maximize its potential

It's game over for forums. Unless you have something "unique" like a stats site or something that your competitors don't have, you're done in this industry. I've been in contact with many "corporate minds" in this industry and talk to many decision makers and it's game over for forums.

Advertising is the only way to keep forums alive and without advertising support, forum owners like Ken have to dip into their own reserve and they realize after a while, they are either breaking even or losing money. Forums bring no value as they once did in the "golden years" and the hard part for guys in this industry who try to stay alive is knowing when to let it go and move on.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize, sites like sportsline, espn, foxsports, yahoo sports and sites that generate big numbers, are starting to slant their material towards the "gaming angle" and sites that once ruled, will be nothing but a geo city site.

For those who are still pluggin away, give it up, because the internet is going to be a "on demand" world and what the end user wants right now. Look at every forum, everybody is trying to re-invent the wheel and everybody is bringing back old ideas, but the reality of the matter is this, people have seen this song and dance before and evolution has run it's course.

Look at sites like Twitter and Facebook, these guys have huge numbers, but their business model is shit, they have millions of eyeballs, but can't figure how to capitalize financially off it. Sure, they make money, but nowhere near the money they should be making with the numbers they produce.

Plus, in order to dance, you need a dancing partner and no sportsbook is willing to network with little sites anymore. As much as you guys think EOG and SBR are big sites, they are big to guys who've been in this industry, but the real money makers offshore say "who's that". As long as the books dont' spend, it's game over for forums.

Just my 2 cents and observation the last 2 years. If you go look up my thread last year where I stated something like 70% to 80% of the players (squares) will stop betting because they can't deposit and will not go the extra mile to deposit, you will see some guy laugh at my post, but I wasn't that much off.

Bottom line, to all the guys in this industry who have a forum or a site and still grinding it out, find something that makes money and it doesn't involve advertising, because everything is about what I want for my own personal use and is it "on demand".

Ron
 
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joeybagadonuts

Guest
#14
Re: How could eog Maximize its potential

Doubt its a "sky is falling" situation like ats said.

What sites like this need to do is figure out "the new new" thing, same as in every internet related industry.
 
#16
Re: How could eog Maximize its potential

Here's what my "basic battle plan" would be to help "make EOG successful":

1- Consistency. The same rules apply to everyone, whether you're a newbie, a regular, a mod, or whomever. Picks go in the picks forum, create a "child forum" (subforum) for all the top 10, circle jerk stuff.

2- Give the Mods a "schedule". And before the cuts, same thing for the paid posters. Mods and paid help should encourage conversations, ask questions, ask for opinions, ect... but shouldn't "dominate the forum".

No reason for any Mod or paid poster to be on the forum 16-18 hours a day, "reaching" for things to post about or commenting in every thread. It's overkill imo.

And I would assign one or two days a week for each Mod that they wouldn't be allowed to post in the Main Forum. They can only post in the other parts of the forum to get them into the habit of not "living in the Main Forum".

3- Each Mod should concentrate on what they are good at. If a Mod is a sharp football capper, concentrate on capping the games and getting discussion started there (example Gyno. Did a great job in the picks forums
). If a Mod's niche is bs'ing with the posters, bs with the posters.

4- Mods and paid help should be doing more than just posting. Assign two or three to promote the forum elsewhere, assign a couple to go out and contact new books and other new forms of advertising....which ties right into.....

with the offshore environment as it is right now, looks to other forms of building revenue (find some good affiliate programs that pay good for referrals, build an Amazon store where all you're doing is selling their stuff and getting a cut
( http://webstore.amazon.com/Online-Store-FAQ/ ), plenty of other ways to generate revenue at a forum the size of EOG.

5- Reward the guys who add something positive to the forum, and stop rewarding those are doing stupid shit to make the rest of the forum and rest of the EOG team look bad. (And also those who are more interested in pushing and promoting themselves, instead of pushing and promoting EOG)

We'll never have the credibility we need if we are rewarding guys that stiff, guys that are making racial remarks, guys who are talking down to, cursing and insulting the posters.

And also put an end to the "Wolfpack/Clique mentaility". Stop ganging up on posters who have criticisms of the forum. Let 'em express themselves without beating the shit out of them.

6- When a Mod starts a thread asking for suggestions from the posting body, emplement some of the good ideas.

Seemed to me that each time one of us started a "Suggestions" thread, we'd get some good input from the posters, but it also seemed none of the ideas would ever come to fruition.

Gotta be willing to try new ideas. Give them a chance to work. If they don't work, you can always shitcan it later on. Nothing wrong with trying new ideas.

I've also found that the posters a lot of times "see things" we don't as Mods. We are so involved and "so deep in the woods", sometimes we don't see the forest for the trees. We DO need a fresh set of eyes to notice and comment on things from an outside and independant perspective.


7- Don't go back on your word.

This is more of an "Owner thing". If you say something, don't contradict yourself. (i.e. The J Man payment plan situation to TTinco)

Hurts credibility imo.

8- Form partnerships with other sites and blogs

Trade links and banners with some of these other sites that are not direct competitiors. It's not always about money and selling ads, exposing the site to a more diverse audience helps bring new blood to the site/forum.

9- Move the daily drama down to the Asylum and let the interested parties battle it out.

I think some of the drama stuff is relevent and should stay in the Main Forum if there's an actual debate taking place, even if it comes heated.

But the daily threads about the same old things that are nothing but name-calling back and forth, move it downstairs and let 'em fight and argue all day.

Rather not see it Main Forum on a daily basis.

10- Seen the suggestion of a "Think Tank or Technically Peep" type forum across the road.

I think it's a good idea. Give it a chance to work. It may catch on or it may not. But definately worth trying imo.

11- Do not allow stiffs and cheaters into the contests.

Simple enough imo. If someone is stiffing another poster, or is caught cheating in a contest, they are BANNED from participating in the contests.

This is just a basic outline on my part, and some of the things I actually suggested at one time or the other while at EOG.

So, take it fwiw and feel free to comment, agree or disagree
damn thats a good post:cheers
 
#17
Re: How could eog Maximize its potential

Here's what my "basic battle plan" would be to help "make EOG successful":

1- Consistency. The same rules apply to everyone, whether you're a newbie, a regular, a mod, or whomever. Picks go in the picks forum, create a "child forum" (subforum) for all the top 10, circle jerk stuff.

2- Give the Mods a "schedule". And before the cuts, same thing for the paid posters. Mods and paid help should encourage conversations, ask questions, ask for opinions, ect... but shouldn't "dominate the forum".

No reason for any Mod or paid poster to be on the forum 16-18 hours a day, "reaching" for things to post about or commenting in every thread. It's overkill imo.

And I would assign one or two days a week for each Mod that they wouldn't be allowed to post in the Main Forum. They can only post in the other parts of the forum to get them into the habit of not "living in the Main Forum".

3- Each Mod should concentrate on what they are good at. If a Mod is a sharp football capper, concentrate on capping the games and getting discussion started there (example Gyno. Did a great job in the picks forums
). If a Mod's niche is bs'ing with the posters, bs with the posters.

4- Mods and paid help should be doing more than just posting. Assign two or three to promote the forum elsewhere, assign a couple to go out and contact new books and other new forms of advertising....which ties right into.....

with the offshore environment as it is right now, looks to other forms of building revenue (find some good affiliate programs that pay good for referrals, build an Amazon store where all you're doing is selling their stuff and getting a cut ( http://webstore.amazon.com/Online-Store-FAQ/ ), plenty of other ways to generate revenue at a forum the size of EOG.

5- Reward the guys who add something positive to the forum, and stop rewarding those are doing stupid shit to make the rest of the forum and rest of the EOG team look bad. (And also those who are more interested in pushing and promoting themselves, instead of pushing and promoting EOG)

We'll never have the credibility we need if we are rewarding guys that stiff, guys that are making racial remarks, guys who are talking down to, cursing and insulting the posters.

And also put an end to the "Wolfpack/Clique mentaility". Stop ganging up on posters who have criticisms of the forum. Let 'em express themselves without beating the shit out of them.

6- When a Mod starts a thread asking for suggestions from the posting body, emplement some of the good ideas.

Seemed to me that each time one of us started a "Suggestions" thread, we'd get some good input from the posters, but it also seemed none of the ideas would ever come to fruition.

Gotta be willing to try new ideas. Give them a chance to work. If they don't work, you can always shitcan it later on. Nothing wrong with trying new ideas.

I've also found that the posters a lot of times "see things" we don't as Mods. We are so involved and "so deep in the woods", sometimes we don't see the forest for the trees. We DO need a fresh set of eyes to notice and comment on things from an outside and independant perspective.


7- Don't go back on your word.

This is more of an "Owner thing". If you say something, don't contradict yourself. (i.e. The J Man payment plan situation to TTinco)

Hurts credibility imo.

8- Form partnerships with other sites and blogs

Trade links and banners with some of these other sites that are not direct competitiors. It's not always about money and selling ads, exposing the site to a more diverse audience helps bring new blood to the site/forum.

9- Move the daily drama down to the Asylum and let the interested parties battle it out.

I think some of the drama stuff is relevent and should stay in the Main Forum if there's an actual debate taking place, even if it comes heated.

But the daily threads about the same old things that are nothing but name-calling back and forth, move it downstairs and let 'em fight and argue all day.

Rather not see it Main Forum on a daily basis.

10- Seen the suggestion of a "Think Tank or Technically Peep" type forum across the road.

I think it's a good idea. Give it a chance to work. It may catch on or it may not. But definately worth trying imo.

11- Do not allow stiffs and cheaters into the contests.

Simple enough imo. If someone is stiffing another poster, or is caught cheating in a contest, they are BANNED from participating in the contests.

This is just a basic outline on my part, and some of the things I actually suggested at one time or the other while at EOG.

So, take it fwiw and feel free to comment, agree or disagree

Pretty bitter post Ego, and I can't say I blame you. A lot of it seems directed at Ken and J-Stiffman, but it doesn't matter what you suggest, Ken is gonna keep on who he wants to. I for one thought you did plenty around here and always appreciated it. But if he thinks cutting you and Hache is more prudent than axing some shit mods that still exist, well more power to him.:maniac:
 
#18
Re: How could eog Maximize its potential

Although it's been beaten to death having known stiffs as employees hurts the site those problems need to be taken care of.

I think what SBR does where posters can make their picks in their blogs is pretty cool
and the system grades it and keeps Won loss records and units won would be a good addition here.
 
#19
Re: How could eog Maximize its potential

Here's what my "basic battle plan" would be to help "make EOG successful":

1- Consistency. The same rules apply to everyone, whether you're a newbie, a regular, a mod, or whomever. Picks go in the picks forum, create a "child forum" (subforum) for all the top 10, circle jerk stuff.

2- Give the Mods a "schedule". And before the cuts, same thing for the paid posters. Mods and paid help should encourage conversations, ask questions, ask for opinions, ect... but shouldn't "dominate the forum".

No reason for any Mod or paid poster to be on the forum 16-18 hours a day, "reaching" for things to post about or commenting in every thread. It's overkill imo.

And I would assign one or two days a week for each Mod that they wouldn't be allowed to post in the Main Forum. They can only post in the other parts of the forum to get them into the habit of not "living in the Main Forum".

3- Each Mod should concentrate on what they are good at. If a Mod is a sharp football capper, concentrate on capping the games and getting discussion started there (example Gyno. Did a great job in the picks forums
). If a Mod's niche is bs'ing with the posters, bs with the posters.

4- Mods and paid help should be doing more than just posting. Assign two or three to promote the forum elsewhere, assign a couple to go out and contact new books and other new forms of advertising....which ties right into.....

with the offshore environment as it is right now, looks to other forms of building revenue (find some good affiliate programs that pay good for referrals, build an Amazon store where all you're doing is selling their stuff and getting a cut ( http://webstore.amazon.com/Online-Store-FAQ/ ), plenty of other ways to generate revenue at a forum the size of EOG.

5- Reward the guys who add something positive to the forum, and stop rewarding those are doing stupid shit to make the rest of the forum and rest of the EOG team look bad. (And also those who are more interested in pushing and promoting themselves, instead of pushing and promoting EOG)

We'll never have the credibility we need if we are rewarding guys that stiff, guys that are making racial remarks, guys who are talking down to, cursing and insulting the posters.

And also put an end to the "Wolfpack/Clique mentaility". Stop ganging up on posters who have criticisms of the forum. Let 'em express themselves without beating the shit out of them.

6- When a Mod starts a thread asking for suggestions from the posting body, emplement some of the good ideas.

Seemed to me that each time one of us started a "Suggestions" thread, we'd get some good input from the posters, but it also seemed none of the ideas would ever come to fruition.

Gotta be willing to try new ideas. Give them a chance to work. If they don't work, you can always shitcan it later on. Nothing wrong with trying new ideas.

I've also found that the posters a lot of times "see things" we don't as Mods. We are so involved and "so deep in the woods", sometimes we don't see the forest for the trees. We DO need a fresh set of eyes to notice and comment on things from an outside and independant perspective.


7- Don't go back on your word.

This is more of an "Owner thing". If you say something, don't contradict yourself. (i.e. The J Man payment plan situation to TTinco)

Hurts credibility imo.

8- Form partnerships with other sites and blogs

Trade links and banners with some of these other sites that are not direct competitiors. It's not always about money and selling ads, exposing the site to a more diverse audience helps bring new blood to the site/forum.

9- Move the daily drama down to the Asylum and let the interested parties battle it out.

I think some of the drama stuff is relevent and should stay in the Main Forum if there's an actual debate taking place, even if it comes heated.

But the daily threads about the same old things that are nothing but name-calling back and forth, move it downstairs and let 'em fight and argue all day.

Rather not see it Main Forum on a daily basis.

10- Seen the suggestion of a "Think Tank or Technically Peep" type forum across the road.

I think it's a good idea. Give it a chance to work. It may catch on or it may not. But definately worth trying imo.

11- Do not allow stiffs and cheaters into the contests.

Simple enough imo. If someone is stiffing another poster, or is caught cheating in a contest, they are BANNED from participating in the contests.

This is just a basic outline on my part, and some of the things I actually suggested at one time or the other while at EOG.

So, take it fwiw and feel free to comment, agree or disagree
Good ideals EGO:cheers

EGO who is the guy that made the video on youtube about you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzhU...horegamblersdigest.com/showthread.php?t=67047
 
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Bruce Dickinson

Guest
#20
Re: How could eog Maximize its potential

live chat session with spiro, 5D tony etc - like MW used to do
 
#21
Re: How could eog Maximize its potential

Although it's been beaten to death having known stiffs as employees hurts the site those problems need to be taken care of.

I think what SBR does where posters can make their picks in their blogs is pretty cool
and the system grades it and keeps Won loss records and units won would be a good addition here.

Yeah not sure if we have the funds to get something automated here. I wish we did, I have gotten some pretty awesome ideas from posters.
 
#22
Re: How could eog Maximize its potential

Na, eog aint closing up shop!

:houra
I think EOG as we know it, is gonna change. It may not close shop but any company needs revenue. If the guys here at EOG arent clicking the banners at the top of the page, then advertisers will have no choice but to vanish.

Ken is a businessman, first and foremost. He loves EOG and forumville but no one can expect him to pay for this venue, out of his own pocket, if it ever gets to that point. (For all I know it may already be)

Revenue<Expenses = Ba-bye
 
#23
Re: How could eog Maximize its potential

Pretty bitter post Ego, and I can't say I blame you. A lot of it seems directed at Ken and J-Stiffman, but it doesn't matter what you suggest, Ken is gonna keep on who he wants to. I for one thought you did plenty around here and always appreciated it. But if he thinks cutting you and Hache is more prudent than axing some shit mods that still exist, well more power to him.

EGO left on his own accord. He was not let go.
 
#24
Re: How could eog Maximize its potential

I think EOG as we know it, is gonna change. It may not close shop but any company needs revenue. If the guys here at EOG arent clicking the banners at the top of the page, then advertisers will have no choice but to vanish.

Ken is a businessman, first and foremost. He loves EOG and forumville but no one can expect him to pay for this venue, out of his own pocket, if it ever gets to that point. (For all I know it may already be)

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I think there is a definite chance that the climate will change for the positive a year or so down the road. I have heard that from some sharp people who I have spoken with privately.

Ken had to make some drastic cuts because he was dipping into his own pocket, but I think we could get together a good enough team of people to get things moving slowly in the right direction. We have to please the advertisers. Need too keep hammering away at that.


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joeybagadonuts

Guest
#26
Re: How could eog Maximize its potential

As I said when ego posted this elsewhere , it's his best post ever and most of his ideas are dead on, imo.
 
#27
Re: How could eog Maximize its potential

Although it's been beaten to death having known stiffs as employees hurts the site those problems need to be taken care of.

I think what SBR does where posters can make their picks in their blogs is pretty cool
and the system grades it and keeps Won loss records and units won would be a good addition here.
This is a fallacy. Revenue streams are unaffected by having Jman on the payroll. You think Joey, Seymour, or any of the other ball busters are miraculously gonna post up at one of EOG's advertisers if Jman is fired? Not no, but hell no.

So what if you, Joey, Seymour, TTicno (or I) dont come to EOG and boycott cuz Jman is on the payroll. It wouldnt affect the advertisers at all. Old timers aren't the ones clicking the banners and posting up at these stores.

My .02
 
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Bruce Dickinson

Guest
#28
Re: How could eog Maximize its potential

If SHRINK could get BW to sit down for a one-hour live chat it would blow the doors off the forum world IMO if advertised right

OSU I know you're Kens boys, and I'm not asking for insider details, but for the life of me I cannot figure out how these forums can be hurting for money.....are the IT expenses really that high?
 
#29
Re: How could eog Maximize its potential

Also be nice to hear more from JC about where he thinks the industry is heading in the future
 
#30
Re: How could eog Maximize its potential

This is a fallacy. Revenue streams are unaffected by having Jman on the payroll. You think Joey, Seymour, or any of the other ball busters are miraculously gonna post up at one of EOG's advertisers if Jman is fired? Not no, but hell no.

So what if you, Joey, Seymour, TTicno (or I) dont come to EOG and boycott cuz Jman is on the payroll. It wouldnt affect the advertisers at all. Old timers aren't the ones clicking the banners and posting up at these stores.

My .02

That is not how it effects the ability of the site to advance and make money. Some great posters are bothered, great posters who have the ability to create content in sports forums that will draw in new posters/new sign ups. It brings down the atmosphere of the place. It takes time away from some being able to focus on the next positive idea when they have to constantly deal with pms, questions, and moving threads. Its has a profound effect on the ability of the site to move forward, imo.

Someone finds eog.com and they see a thread calling someone a rapist and then that person being called a stiff in every other thread and people aren't going to want to come back.
 
#31
Re: How could eog Maximize its potential

If SHRINK could get BW to sit down for a one-hour live chat it would blow the doors off the forum world IMO if advertised right

OSU I know you're Kens boys, and I'm not asking for insider details, but for the life of me I cannot figure out how these forums can be hurting for money.....are the IT expenses really that high?
I dont have any inside info. I can only put myself in an advertisers shoes. Would you continue to spend advertising dollars at a site without it producing an return on investment? Plain and simple I dont believe that ANYONE is clicking the banners at the top of ANY of these forums and posting up with an offshore book. It is too difficult for the players to "move" money.

Advertisers must either be getting a huge discount at this point or they are just not removed to make the site look "healthier". This is ALL speculation and I have nothing to back it up but common sense and business experience.
 
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Bruce Dickinson

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#33
Re: How could eog Maximize its potential

correct me if I'm wrong, but theRX receives a kickback on losses from books that posters sign up thru the site.....for life

EOG has decided not to go that route, for legal purposes
 
#34
Re: How could eog Maximize its potential

Pretty bitter post Ego, and I can't say I blame you. A lot of it seems directed at Ken and J-Stiffman, but it doesn't matter what you suggest, Ken is gonna keep on who he wants to. I for one thought you did plenty around here and always appreciated it. But if he thinks cutting you and Hache is more prudent than axing some shit mods that still exist, well more power to him.:maniac:
Not meant to be bitter at all, Dust.

As Mo mentioned, I stepped away on my own even before I was made aware of the other cuts.

My list was simply some things me and others wanted to implement here, but we just didn't have the stroke, influence or votes to make it happen 12io4j2w90

If any comments I may have made since leaving here has rubbed anyone the wrong way, that was not my intention.

Considering the constant shots and name-calling directed my way since even before I was hired as a mod here at EOG, I felt the least I deserved was to "broadly" tell my side of things.

If anyone has been offended, I apologize
 

hackattack

EOG Enthusiast
#35
Re: How could eog Maximize its potential

Maximize potential? Easy for a gambling website.....traffic.
How to do that?

Good cappers and lots of drama.
 
#36
Re: How could eog Maximize its potential

Not meant to be bitter at all, Dust.

As Mo mentioned, I stepped away on my own even before I was made aware of the other cuts.

My list was simply some things me and others wanted to implement here, but we just didn't have the stroke, influence or votes to make it happen 12io4j2w90

If any comments I may have made since leaving here has rubbed anyone the wrong way, that was not my intention.

Considering the constant shots and name-calling directed my way since even before I was hired as a mod here at EOG, I felt the least I deserved was to "broadly" tell my side of things.

If anyone has been offended, I apologize
Best of luck to you EGO the media room was a great ideal hope they keep it going
 

trytrytry

All I do is trytrytry
#38
Re: How could eog Maximize its potential

i would really suggest that you get an agreement with books that are here (or at least a bunch of them) to allow intersportsbook transfers if you have active accounts at both shops and are active posters at EOG...moving money around and doing it at books you trust is the number 1 issue for USA customers now... knowing the EOG books all trusted each other to allow transfers would mean more customers here, mor happy sportsbooks and thus you could start to charge higher fees to support this place..
 
#40
Re: How could eog Maximize its potential

ATS hit the nail on the head on a few points.

The loss of Neteller may not necessarily cripple the offshore books(Granted-it sure as hell doesn't help, but cripple is a strong word), but it has more or less crippled the revenue stream for forums.

The days of people being funded within minutes at any given book are pretty much gone, and that took a lot of potentially profit making opportunities away with it. Bonus whores, scalpers, number shoppers, etc....big, big hit to all of them.

Sucks, but such is life.
 
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