How do you rate BetFirstClass?

#41
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

Example-

I click refresh on the MLB lines..

I see -120 so click it...go to enter the risk amount $ go to submit the play then I get a message that the line has changed and 95% of the time its agaisnt me.

takes a second to refresh the lines but when you place the bet it takes a good 10-15 secs for it to go through and thats when I get the message stating the line has changed.

I got paid real fast..so I cant really say anything negative about them in terms of withdrawls

LAST COMMENT

SIR

if it's taking 10-15 secs for ANY wager @ B-F-C to Process, please please please contact Techs @ 866 352 8194 EXT #4606

and ask then WTF the Problem is ? ? ? ? ? ?
 
#42
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

BFC has no history of "no pays" or "slow pays" that I know of. Until they show the line history of the Den 1H, I think they bullshit.

That being said, they pay and they pay fast. Good book.
RAIDERS

Let me state this one last time

The 1st HF DEN wagers

#1 NO ONE LOST

#2 ALLLL DEN WAGERS WERE PAID / even though they could NOT have
lost the wagers

#3 I can show example after example of Players Betting a game &
15--secs Later re--betting it @ Better Price

so, this NON--SENSE of Line ALWAYS Moving against the Player is BS



RAY CABINO stated it Perfects do lines Move MORE against the Player than for the PLAYER, well HELL--YES casue you guys are Usually beating us to the MOVES 70% of the time . . . . .


That said, RUCA, I ask one more time to Prove your Theory 100% FALSE ...........May we Post wagers OR NOT, if NOt compeltely Understand & Perhaps I am wrong & you didn't BET -119 & Then -114 on ASTROS game . . .
 
#43
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

BFC how bout just telling us what happened?

How did 46 bets get through without the line moving?

TIME

i'll give very brief/short example

VERY FEW of the 46--wagers were POST--UPS

we services various agents & we don't even "Chart" those wagers

anyone in the "BUSINESS" will Understand More xxx # OF the 46 wagers

we NOT "Chartable" . . . . That's ALL I'll SAY


If anyone in the "BUSINESS" cares to PM time to pay to futher explain Great . . . . but Pretty simple IF u follow me
 
#44
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

BFC- I agree that everyone got paid and that's all that matters. I would feel safe playing with you guys.

I still feel that the play got steamed, you didn't move your line. I smell bullshit, but many would in that situation. Do you keep a line history?
 
#45
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BFC - Also what is the criteria that you use to determine if a line is bad? You guys may be able to set a precedent here and I'd commend you for doing this. I'd make it a tad lower than the 7% that was stated by Pinnacle. Pinnacle still doesn't have a rule etched in stone, just an opinion.
 
#46
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

#1 I could show line History Via Tech

#2 Pointless as we don't offer ML day Prior & that would have been the ONLY chance in HELL of ML being -265 was day Prior


POINT is ALL accts were RISKING 0 after emails sent to win XXXXX

meaning they COULD NOT HAVE LOST THE BET, YET THEY CAN WIN IT
 
#47
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

BFC you are really fucking nuts.

stop sending me pm's. next time you want to say something to me post it in the thread.

i have to post this as this is an outright lie. please show me where i stated you dont have 46 wagers all i did was laugh at you.:LMAOwhy would i want to bet you on many wagers you had on an event?:blink:


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46 wager dispute
<hr style="color: rgb(43, 41, 94);" size="1"> BD

It would take me lil time to copy paste from each & every--acct AND more importantly Probably ASK for clients Permission

However, if you can Put up enough cash to make it worth my time I WILL start New Thread & show each--one

assuming you have the CASH to back--up your fasle allegations . . . we'll tape the call where you wager that AT LEAST 46 People did NOT have DENVER on the ML in the 1st HF 2--nights ago @ NO--VIG

EXAMPLE RISKING $2500 to WIN $2500


I may have made an error & you may with this wager, I highly doubt it, but since you stated we didn't Write 46 Denver ML tickets, WHY not put your money where your Mouth is???
 
#48
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

Why does this have to continue? There was a situation. It was brought to the forums. BFC and the players had a dispute. BFC did the right thing and paid the players. Case closed.

Not sure what all the "detectives" are trying to get out of this by pushing it farther. Give credit to BFC where credit is due. They disagreed but they paid all of the players. Nicely done. As someone else already said, 99% of the other books would have said FU.

If you are still on their case, you obviously have decided to never play there anyway so why keep up with the bullshit?
 
#49
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

#1 I could show line History Via Tech

#2 Pointless as we don't offer ML day Prior & that would have been the ONLY chance in HELL of ML being -265 was day Prior


POINT is ALL accts were RISKING 0 after emails sent to win XXXXX

meaning they COULD NOT HAVE LOST THE BET, YET THEY CAN WIN IT
Please show us the line history when you can do it. Being able to cancel a bet, even prior to tip-off is unfair to players. You could cancel every steamed play if that's the case. You could also cancel bets with lopsided action.
 
#50
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

BFC you are really fucking nuts.

stop sending me pm's. next time you want to say something to me post it in the thread.

i have to post this as this is an outright lie. please show me where i stated you dont have 46 wagers all i did was laugh at you.:LMAOwhy would i want to bet you on many wagers you had on an event?:blink:


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<HR style="COLOR: rgb(43,41,94)" SIZE=1>BD

It would take me lil time to copy paste from each & every--acct AND more importantly Probably ASK for clients Permission

However, if you can Put up enough cash to make it worth my time I WILL start New Thread & show each--one

assuming you have the CASH to back--up your fasle allegations . . . we'll tape the call where you wager that AT LEAST 46 People did NOT have DENVER on the ML in the 1st HF 2--nights ago @ NO--VIG

EXAMPLE RISKING $2500 to WIN $2500


I may have made an error & you may with this wager, I highly doubt it, but since you stated we didn't Write 46 Denver ML tickets, WHY not put your money where your Mouth is???


:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO

Poor Judge
 
#51
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

Why does this have to continue? There was a situation. It was brought to the forums. BFC and the players had a dispute. BFC did the right thing and paid the players. Case closed.

Not sure what all the "detectives" are trying to get out of this by pushing it farther. Give credit to BFC where credit is due. They disagreed but they paid all of the players. Nicely done. As someone else already said, 99% of the other books would have said FU.

If you are still on their case, you obviously have decided to never play there anyway so why keep up with the bullshit?

ummm - you must have missed some parts. It was a rate BFC thread.Posters were giving their opinions that did not have anything to do with the other night.

BFC came in and got it all goin again
 
#52
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

RAIDERS

at the end of the day OBVIOUS LINE ERROS are very Judgemental call

I've let Wagers Slide as Much as 13% OFF which OSU can/will Verify

I've also Let select Players who wager on 4th ROUND golf Matchup Slide with WIN when Cabrara & K Perry Both SHOT 71's Yet Cabreeera WOn PLAYOFF

which Willy Loman can Verify


Point being it's always a Tough call & the -265 / -365

in my Mind was an EASY CALL = Obvious Line Error


when man YELLS -365 & clerk Types -265 / makes easy call for me

That said, I've had 3 days OF Hell 200++++ phone calls, who knows how Many Emails & word SPREAD that we didn't pay ANYONE


Lastly, and this may sound arrogant as poster called me BEFORE

I'm truly not worried about any of this as "WE" (BFC) are doing ALL the Proper things to attract new clients as well as retain Old ones . . . . . It's going to take more time to gain the TRUST & RESPECT from John Q Public . . . . But it will happen in time
 
#53
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

BD

I stand corrected, I thought you stated Previously that we did NOT accept 46 DEN ML wagers . . . . if you DID NOT say that excuse & accept my apology over the "PM"
 
#54
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

RAIDERS

at the end of the day OBVIOUS LINE ERROS are very Judgemental call

I've let Wagers Slide as Much as 13% OFF which OSU can/will Verify

I've also Let select Players who wager on 4th ROUND golf Matchup Slide with WIN when Cabrara & K Perry Both SHOT 71's Yet Cabreeera WOn PLAYOFF

which Willy Loman can Verify


Point being it's always a Tough call & the -265 / -365

in my Mind was an EASY CALL = Obvious Line Error


when man YELLS -365 & clerk Types -265 / makes easy call for me

That said, I've had 3 days OF Hell 200++++ phone calls, who knows how Many Emails & word SPREAD that we didn't pay ANYONE


Lastly, and this may sound arrogant as poster called me BEFORE

I'm truly not worried about any of this as "WE" (BFC) are doing ALL the Proper things to attract new clients as well as retain Old ones . . . . . It's going to take more time to gain the TRUST & RESPECT from John Q Public . . . . But it will happen in time
sharp post. I'd still would need the line history to confirm what happened in my mind.
 
#55
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

BD

I stand corrected, I thought you stated Previously that we did NOT accept 46 DEN ML wagers . . . . if you DID NOT say that excuse & accept my apology over the "PM"
i should get a $2500 free play for defamation of character or i think i will sue
 
#56
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

RAIDERS

at the end of the day OBVIOUS LINE ERROS are very Judgemental call

I've let Wagers Slide as Much as 13% OFF which OSU can/will Verify

I've also Let select Players who wager on 4th ROUND golf Matchup Slide with WIN when Cabrara & K Perry Both SHOT 71's Yet Cabreeera WOn PLAYOFF

which Willy Loman can Verify


Point being it's always a Tough call & the -265 / -365

in my Mind was an EASY CALL = Obvious Line Error


when man YELLS -365 & clerk Types -265 / makes easy call for me

That said, I've had 3 days OF Hell 200++++ phone calls, who knows how Many Emails & word SPREAD that we didn't pay ANYONE


Lastly, and this may sound arrogant as poster called me BEFORE

I'm truly not worried about any of this as "WE" (BFC) are doing ALL the Proper things to attract new clients as well as retain Old ones . . . . . It's going to take more time to gain the TRUST & RESPECT from John Q Public . . . . But it will happen in time

Still dont make sense to me and I am self admittingly dont know your alls side of the biz so please explain.

The line was -265 and it was the right line at some point.

Then an another point a clerk yells -365 and the person type -265 again from what you are saying. How come it never hit -280,-300,etc?

Did the clerk mistype everytime?

What about all the number inbetween?
 
#57
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

Originally Posted by ShavenCoinpurse

Why does this have to continue? There was a situation. It was brought to the forums. BFC and the players had a dispute. BFC did the right thing and paid the players. Case closed.

Not sure what all the "detectives" are trying to get out of this by pushing it farther. Give credit to BFC where credit is due. They disagreed but they paid all of the players. Nicely done. As someone else already said, 99% of the other books would have said FU.

If you are still on their case, you obviously have decided to never play there anyway so why keep up with the bullshit?.................



SHAVEN

you are 100% correct, there is NOT a Book out there that took all precautions & cancelled ALL wagers . . . . would then "REVERSE" the Decision & go back & PAY EVERYONE .......

That said, I don't regret the Decision, I can just personally assure EVERYONE, it will never transpire again . . . If we cancel wagers / It's a Decision that will be FINAL

I'm Out Best of Luck to everyone & hope you all have GREAT DAY/WEEK

even you Cannon
 
#58
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO

Poor Judge

it's not like the guy didn't know what he was getting himself into before he took the job :blink:

maybe reload we will relocate down to CR when the judge is put into a nut house from all the stress involved daily with his job:+textinb3
 
#59
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

RAIDERS line history Pretty simply

-265
-265
-265
-265 Then agents start BLOWING UP PHONES saying are you out of your
********* Minds / I say Relax it's 365 as I'm on Mobile
they say, Think again it's TWO SIXTY FIVE & everyone betting it
for the max

I contact Office & have Few Choice Words with BRANDON

LINE GOES

-365 12 mins later
-370 JUST BEFORE TIP
-375


end of Discoussion as 72 hrs of this is More than enough GENTS
 
#60
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

JUDGE WILL BE JUST FINE

let me worry about Judge & BFC Payroll, he is on a Plane as we speak

I think he'll be Just Fine BD, & sorry that I misunderstood your post
 
#61
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

betfirstclass has manged to come off looking like a grade-a arrogant prick in these threads, regardless of what action was taken in regards to the action on any particular bet.

no intentions of playing there now. way too many other good books with better customer service that aren't so argumentative toward current/potential customers as bfc has been here.

just my two cents.

ps: random CAPS and "quotations" are really annoying.
 
#62
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

betfirstclass has manged to come off looking like a grade-a arrogant prick in these threads, regardless of what action was taken in regards to the action on any particular bet.

no intentions of playing there now. way too many other good books with better customer service that aren't so argumentative toward current/potential customers as bfc has been here.

just my two cents.

ps: random CAPS and "quotations" are really annoying.
Personalities of employees and owners on a posting board are not a top consideration for me......................Most that say what you said never had any intentions of ever playing at BFC to begin with
 
#63
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

Weinke

I'm sure there are MANY

but name just one BOOK that would have Paid the ABove Poster @ 11:22 p.m. on Sunday Night ............

Now let's get to the customer Service comment, Have you once spoken to any Person or Persons in our Offices & if so, Please give me Names & EXT #'s of the RUDE ONES

The only rude Person here is ME & I fully admit that

Thing is, we are doing all the right things & Very Sorry that we Have Lost you as a Potential Client Sir . . .
 
#64
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

i actually had considered making a small deposit with bfc as i've heard of their quick payouts and with their representation here on the boards, i assumed they'd be somewhat trustworthy.

bfc, i'm basing my opinion entirely off how you've acted here. it's good that you paid the player. noble and right thing to do.

your rudeness here is unnecessary though.

i've dealt with online sportsbooks for several years now (from A+ books like the greek to D books like sportsbook.com and betus.com), and the best customer service i've seen from any of them is Richard at betphoenix. he's good with his words and always looks out for his customers no matter their bankroll. i suggest you take a page out of his book and conduct yourself here with the kind of professionalism he does.

again, just my two cents as a gambler, onlooker, and forum participant.
 
#65
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

Weinke

Tell you what contact 866 352 8194 EXT #4603 ask for Steve OR Blake

If you are NOT happy with what they have to say, I'll still Throw you $25--FREE play . . .
 
#67
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

don't have time right now, bfc, headed off to work in 2 minutes.

not trying to trash your site, just wanted to give my two cents on the topic at hand. again, i commend you guys for paying the players. good job. i just expect a representative of a book to show a little more courtesy and exude a little more professionalism, regardless of whether it's over the phone or on a forum. that's all.
 
#71
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CANNON

Not that it's your Business but we PAY--CLERKS more than any shop around Period


Now, you've made it extrememly clear you don't like us but why in the * * * * the constant Verbal attacks day after day after day after day after Day . . .????

do you not have anything more Productive you could possibly do with your time sir?
 
#72
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

I rate BFC a D-

Stay away.

ROACH, may I ask what your D - rating is based on

and do you have an acct here ? ? ? ? ?

Lastly, have you spoken via Live chat OR Directly on the Phones with a SIngle Person Employed By BetFirstclass OR wagerright (sister corp)

Thanks in advance for your answers 12io4j2w90
 
#73
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

Glad you guys figured it out. Sometimes you got to pay for your mistakes. You still should have eaten it but you are learning. Publicity is everything. Do you think we care about agents calling you or what your credit side is doing? Maybe you should lower your limits. 10K is a lot for a first half ml. And really you need a way to move lines on action and on other books. That line moved all day everywhere but in your shop. Judge was on a plane so no one was in the office? Were you out to dinner? Anyway congrats on a wise choice and hopefully making the right moves to avoid stuff like this.
 
#74
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

RAIDERS line history Pretty simply

-265
-265
-265
-265 Then agents start BLOWING UP PHONES saying are you out of your
********* Minds / I say Relax it's 365 as I'm on Mobile
they say, Think again it's TWO SIXTY FIVE & everyone betting it
for the max

I contact Office & have Few Choice Words with BRANDON

LINE GOES

-365 12 mins later
-370 JUST BEFORE TIP
-375


end of Discoussion as 72 hrs of this is More than enough GENTS
lmao, that is your line history?

this place is a joke, I know cornerstore locals that should sell you a pencil and notebook.

let me guess how much attention detail goes into the post up escrow. here's a link since you tards probably can't come up with the definition on your own: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escrow
 
#75
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

Thanks for your Post Mamon

#1 we have different limits for Different accts

#2 Judge does NOT work in the call center Offices

#3 There were Plenty of People in the Office, They just failed to see the Error
(NOT making Excuses, Just the facts are that)

#4 Bottom Line ALL player's (even though they could NOT have lost wager) were pd

#5 as shocking as this will sound we have received as many DEp(s) today as we have ANYDAY in MAY (of course this may be because It's PAYDAY in U.S.)
 
#76
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

ATX that is long--Version of the Line History I am NO--TECH so did not run the actual Import/Export of the 1st HF Moneyline Line History from 3--days ago as FACT IS ALL BETS were PAID . . . .
 
#77
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

CANNON

Not that it's your Business but we PAY--CLERKS more than any shop around Period


Now, you've made it extrememly clear you don't like us but why in the * * * * the constant Verbal attacks day after day after day after day after Day . . .????

do you not have anything more Productive you could possibly do with your time sir?

Well if you can promote your D rated book on this site I am going to start to promote the resident EOG tout Chucky Lucky on here. He is hitting 65%. These people can sign up with him and you will get toasted with all the one sided action you will be getting. You will have to move your lines constantly. Then I will sign up after you move the lines and middle the shit out of you.
 
#78
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

65%

shit, the way you talk/Brag 65% would be a decline as oppossed to your BIGTIME winning % ............as far as Our rating as MUCH AS I HATE IT, it's only a matter of time Before our "CUSTOMERS" in essance change that . . . . .

you Obviously have NO--LIFE so you will still be around to Witness it as well as some of the Perks we will offer our clients . . . . Great thing is I KNOW you will be around to see it . . . . assuming EOG allows you
 
#79
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

ROACH, may I ask what your D - rating is based on

and do you have an acct here ? ? ? ? ?

Lastly, have you spoken via Live chat OR Directly on the Phones with a SIngle Person Employed By BetFirstclass OR wagerright (sister corp)

Thanks in advance for your answers 12io4j2w90
SBR has you rated as a D.

RoachRatings? give you a D- rating based on how you wanted to cancel bets until a stir was created. You brag about "unique lines" that are better than Pinny and then when someone hits you on it, you flip and how can you put up a line worse than Pinny.

Also adding to your D- rating is how you act like a jerkoff on the forums. And how you lie and twist it tryin to say the posters you tried to fuck over were taking shots at you. That should get you an F+ rating, but I was feeling generous today.

No I dont have an account with you. And don't plan on it and advise others not to open one/fund one either. I'm not sure why I'd talk with you on live chat. And I don't know why anyone would play with your book over books like BetJM over you, doesn't seem worth it. They never pull bullshit like this. And they sponsor contests on these forums. You just come on the forums and act like a boner.

You're welcome. :cheers
 
#80
Re: How do you rate BetFirstClass?

BFC has been good for Hogan...they are trying hard to move on up the ladder of success...every business makes mistakes and so does the very best ones. I'll give them an A for effort and a B overall...no problems with BFC at all for Hogan. :thumbsup
 
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