A little history and a new contest hopefully

#82
Gambling is a zero sum game, if you're rooting for somebody to win, you're rooting for someone to lose at same time. Case in point would be the scumbags on the rail at WSOP.
 
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#86
To shed some light on the closing line differential (CLD) for Drink's email picks (dated usually on Monday beginning the week), (CLV is more complicated to evaluate, but close to CLD): I calculated the following sample (I couldn't find 2017 offhand):

Even though I knew the CLD was very positive, I was somewhat surprised to see most of Drink's +units appears to be due to his handicapping and getting line value.

Year 2016 and 2018 CFB records: 190-138-12, +42.8u; record vs CL was 180-156-4, +4.8u, 27% of plays had CLD of +3 points or more, another 28% had between +1 and +2.5 CLD.

Year 2019 CFB record: 127-99-6, +16.6u; record vs CL was 113-114-5, -20.1u, 32% of plays had CLD of +3 points or more, another 32% had between +1 and +2.5 CLD.
 
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To shed some light on the closing line differential (CLD) for Drink's email picks (dated usually on Monday beginning the week), (CLV is more complicated to evaluate, but close to CLD): I calculated the following sample (I couldn't find 2017 offhand):

Even though I knew the CLD was very positive, I was somewhat surprised to see most of Drink's +units appears to be due to his handicapping and getting line value.

Year 2016 and 2018 CFB records: 190-138-12, +42.8u; record vs CL was 180-156-4, +4.8u, 27% of plays had CLD of +3 points or more, another 28% had between +1 and +2.5 CLD.

Year 2019 CFB record: 127-99-6, +16.6u; record vs CL was 113-114-5, -20.1u, 32% of plays had CLD of +3 points or more, another 32% had between +1 and +2.5 CLD.
 
#90
To shed some light on the closing line differential (CLD) for Drink's email picks (dated usually on Monday beginning the week), (CLV is more complicated to evaluate, but close to CLD): I calculated the following sample (I couldn't find 2017 offhand):

Even though I knew the CLD was very positive, I was somewhat surprised to see most of Drink's +units appears to be due to his handicapping and getting line value.

Year 2016 and 2018 CFB records: 190-138-12, +42.8u; record vs CL was 180-156-4, +4.8u, 27% of plays had CLD of +3 points or more, another 28% had between +1 and +2.5 CLD.

Year 2019 CFB record: 127-99-6, +16.6u; record vs CL was 113-114-5, -20.1u, 32% of plays had CLD of +3 points or more, another 32% had between +1 and +2.5 CLD.
what percent of the numbers are available when you receive the Email?
 
#91
Ballpark I'd say roughly 60% are Group 5 vs 40% Power 5, but I don't keep track.

what percent of the numbers are available when you receive the Email?
A very high %, I don't check every line, but I would say roughly 90% are available on Monday afternoon. Generally I know what lines are available. I have occasionally found errors for which I email Drink. Once he had two plays at +4 when he meant -4, I voided those plays. This year he had SMU -9 vs TCU, I emailed did he meant SMU +9?, he said TCU -9, and the pick lost. He seems to choose a small subset for BettorIQ picks later in the week which still have line value.
 
#92
This will be a long post but I think I could use the space. This is after all where I did a lot of long posts.
Computer bob can answer all of these questions but I wanted to address some things transparently as possible so everyone can understand. Scooper and Railbird along with people that I respect and vice versa.

I initially reached out to Computer Bob pretty far back when we were doing the radio show with JK each week and Dink really thought I was special and believed in me much more than I did myself at the time. I know JK probably remembers that I did not know Bob was even a handicapper or busy doing his own work. I thought he was just a guy who enjoyed tracking people. Thank you Bob sincerely for all the mass emails you have to read each week sometimes for years now:)

Jk I used to be around 70/30 non p5 I would believe I am closer to 50/50 these days. I think anyone that hits openers or early numbers will tell you that bots take out great stuff quickly most of that is G5 and while I'm fast it's a uphill battle with lots of changing prices and freezing numbers every sunday at 4 and monday (whenever they decide to post) afternoon. Also JK I am a coach guy and good coaches graduate to bigger jobs but they take their base totals with them so to speak.

Onto Rails question. Bob gets the number being still available I'd guess well over 80% of the time nowadays. Bob would know much better than myself. Never was there a time that I'd consider asking Bob's support or assistance in tracking me initially so one day it would end up on a forum which is of course fine.

Bob is a vital part of a season for me.
This is the way it works. This is a job, this is 100% work but I got caught with my pants down in a few spots back in the day. When new to all of this and started hitting openers and really taking this seriously I would take any pph. I was (am) a credit player. If you offered me a out, we were in business right then. However around 5 or6 years ago I had a very successful week and come Monday my figure owed was extremely light. Agent stated I only made 7 plays and stated 4-3 not even enough for the settle amount. Knowing this was complete b.s. if there are 7 bets on a sheet for me in a week it's because I died on Monday night but there was no discourse and then from there I got stiffed, been blocked and ghosted from every promising to never limit a player from California to Maine agent. Big and small mirrors.

Also I battle with a very serious learning disability and will for life. If there is no record of it then it didnt take place in my life basically. Everything that is important must have a piece of paper receipt basically.

No one spends 300 hours from Feb-August getting ready for a season if they could just build a model or retain info by reading a few articles. Writing down every single sentence read and every bet made and there are a fucking ton of them is 100% necessary for me. Then Lisa who's my better half (shes got 2 kids, married and is vietnamese who isnt into white guys JK sorry to report) who sits 3 feet away bets at the other outs or prepares bets and puts everything in excel which she built for me. She is there because I once misplaced a figure, 5 purple chips from a casino and all my opening numbers on one saturday night. Best friends with a ex girlfriend who introduced is three years ago nown She is the best 24 hour a week investment I've ever made in my life, period.

The first email each week is to Bob and Waz. I have a Duel time stamp with the email, my receipt number along with the excel.

Every bet from there everyday Bob receives instantly. Lisa uses the emails to make sure all numbers are within my discrepancy bet point at pphs mon, Tuesday, Wednesday so we can fan out action.

We move 1/2 point on the screen on average and if more than that I will try to bet more elsewhere within reason. Being conscious of what you move and how they move on you is vital. Splitting action with others is necessary for me. I'm not the best football handicapper but I dont lose longterm and lock up good numbers and if you're working harder then me just go to med school or something.

Spending from 8am Sunday to 4AM recording every box score losing bets first always. I wake up and finish recording all games in the binder by 7 pm monday comes first before almost everything else this time of year. Betting non stop Sunday until Tuesday basically. Injury numbers release at 10 am I don't sleep much until Tuesday and Wednesday.

This is what Railbird got wrong. Sports betting is not a zero sum game if you have partnerships. I give my college football to the hardest working NFL capper, the hardest working NHL guy, the best cbb capper and split the work of a NBA season with someone with far more talent than myself. We all are rooting vigorously for one and other to succeed.
The only rule is you can't bet on the screen and vice versa. You move my numbers before I'm down in full or bettoriq gets them then we throw the towel in and try again some other time. Oh and dont think your agent who gives you a nickel max isnt going to move on your action for a lot more, happens.

Having these people give you +ev bets creates a income stream and or another person you can constantly learn from. Being able to talk as gamblers in this life is the most valuable asset that you can have. Also learning why you suck is more valuable than being validated of how good you are. Within reason of course on both ends.

The podcast and writing for BettorIq allows me to think about each game because I have to present it to someone. Gamblers who dont have to explain why they like something are really missing out in my experience. If I can explain to others why I like a bet eventually my numbers will show some confidence as will my reasoning. I also think the pressure of losing others money is extremely motivating for me personally. Laying a egg hurts a lot more when you have a audience of 50 who paid perhaps booing.

No issue will ever be taken myself with using a minimum of one hour a week to help people with their numbers privately. I'll answer any dm (sorry waz lol) even while sick to give a best opinion possible, recommending authors and team beat writers. You know how I know that's the right thing to do?
Some guys named Alan, Frank and George did the same thing for me for years. Then some guy named John interviewed these giants named Matt, Ron, Bobby and so and so on.. tuned in every night for years and pieced things together one losing bet after another until creation of my own process happened and the losing flipped.

Jk I'll take you down memory lane. Dink, you and Eric Biggio at the pizza place by the radio station and Dink trying to convince me to bet a dime when I had maybe a 30k bankroll. Feels so long ago but maybe not as long as it really was.

I used to love to write my blog here and this was a great experience in doing so again in a sense.
Thanks for the space to all over the years.
 
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FairWarning

Bells Beer Connoisseur
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Drink - why do you have a service? It seems like far more BS than what it’s worth. If I were you, I would keep my small trusted circle and leave it at that. Let’s face it, most people who are buying the service will not get those numbers. You built yourself up thru hard work, I would let the others fend for themselves.
 
. Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus. So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God.
 
Eddie does not have learning diability. 80-90 pct of ADD cases are untrue. instead they are sugar highs, or lack of discipline at home or manufactured drama from moms. and often times an excuse from below average or lazy teachers.
 
Drink - why do you have a service? It seems like far more BS than what it’s worth. If I were you, I would keep my small trusted circle and leave it at that. Let’s face it, most people who are buying the service will not get those numbers. You built yourself up thru hard work, I would let the others fend for themselves.
We dont release anything that isnt within my discrepancy point. I can actually keep things still quite often just long enough. I believe last yr clients won 30+ units when I won around 40. This year I am up right around 17 units I believe and clients are up +13ish. I do not know what I release as all my clients can attest to. I send it off on monday and find out same as them. That was a understanding we reached way back when I agreed to do this. Waz reads the screen well and I trust him. I give him 3 games to choose from for best bet.

I love the pod and writing and interacting with people. 700 or 800 twitter followers and will give away baseball every year just to tell jokes and share music, also I crush the number in baseball same as football or basketball but have never had much success in turning a huge profit. I just love to gamble and talk about it, this is all I ever really wanted to do. Bettoriq allows that for me in bunches and Ive grown to love it.
However.. truthfully I have the biggest fear of going bust than any gambler you have ever met. There is no 401k, there is zero stability or dependability in this game. Ever met the best poker player on earth who was worth millions a decade ago and now lives with his mom?
I have him over for dinner every other month and everyone of us gets a little slower with age and the greats sometimes dont recognize it and blame it on rule changes and are forced to sell their homes to eat. I needed something that was dependable and I now have it and really enjoy it if being honest.

The stress is different but although Eric hates that I refer to it as a job but I haven't had one in so long that I like it. Six hours a week isn't a job but what else do you call it?

I'm a routine guy and looking forward to the routine every week is really cool for me. The pod, the writing little articles especially about the smaller schools and coaches, the recaps I honestly fucking love it. Dont get me wrong I ain't getting that Fezzik money I saw last night but I'd still be betting my balls off regardless if I was because that's just who I am right or wrong. The research never gets old for me. The swings do but never the work.
I just like all of it but end answer is probably I needed a steady paycheck at the end of the day. I still think it's more ethical than feeding me outs which will take over touting soon anyways and is 1000x more risk taking for the client but regardless I am not Vegas dave or whatever.
You get me, you're getting a ton of effort, your beating close and are more than likely going to win longterm and also I'll talk to you about any god damn game all day whether I bet it or not for as long as you want if available to do so. I love college football as much as anything on earth. I'm gonna go enjoy 15 hours of it now.

Have a good day and thank you again. Goodluck, sincerely to all.
 
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Eddie does not have learning diability. 80-90 pct of ADD cases are untrue. instead they are sugar highs, or lack of discipline at home or manufactured drama from moms. and often times an excuse from below average or lazy teachers.
No learning disability? I answered your texts and calls for years.. I'm basically happy I'm just not shitting my pants and wearing a helmet when I reflect on it.
 
Drink - why do you have a service? It seems like far more BS than what it’s worth. If I were you, I would keep my small trusted circle and leave it at that. Let’s face it, most people who are buying the service will not get those numbers. You built yourself up thru hard work, I would let the others fend for themselves.

They do the paperwork for him ....i think. Nothing wrong with giving out plays for money.... Some people who bet do not have time .... businessmen, doctors etc
 
Cmon JK I had 6-5 one day you would reminisce about Blondie accomodating before the turn of the decade.
is this blondie from the strink days? at therx?

Was she in the documentary with the shrink?

I think if JK needs an assistant that there would be plenty of applicants in Costa Rica. I take it gringos are a local favorite.
 
Where are the transcripts of the podcast Scooper? Bettoriq clients went 9-2 for the week. I think pod netted around same units? Definitely no stale numbers of any kind were discussed. Thanks for your help Scoop
 
Where are the transcripts of the podcast Scooper? Bettoriq clients went 9-2 for the week. I think pod netted around same units? Definitely no stale numbers of any kind were discussed. Thanks for your help Scoop
Check post 79 brah I predicted everything you’d say, I can’t ever waste another forty minutes listening to your past posted drivel congrats on the “winnerz” doe lol
 
“Blessed and humbled to be banging these moves. Anybody needs a meal bought or anything I’ll pick up the check! Let’s move on to the games that I like that I moved that I bet at the numbers that I got and I bet because I played them because I follow this stuff more than everybody and I am out here hitting the screen and I bet them and I moved the numbers.
Let’s move on before my assistant tells me I have to get these moves in on my bets.
Humbled as always though on these results!
Yeah I bet Georgia southern under and hit the home dog appY state as well. Shout out to everybody I’ve been helping with this information that I’ve been moving and I’ve been betting. I’m pretty good but still humbled!

Bet Ga southern and released at 16.5 moved to 14. Never a doubt. No play on under. 0-2

I played FIU again at open, seems easy to me because I study this stuff! 0 for 3
Nope not involved here. Have lost 12k on FIU this year.
Michigan is going to thump Maryland, yes I bet them early.
Released at 20 we moved it to 21 Carried over to 21.5. Just anti Maryland, michigan is a fraud. 1-3

USC over there’s an offense I read about and I research it a lot. Good move on this one. I can haz CLV, ask around to people who watch me move the screen on plays that I make because I bet them.
Nope. Played USC here on the pod. Never in doubt loser after the second quarter. 1-4

Oklahoma state looked great last week I had a small piece of that win but I have a move on this one I played it because I researched it and then I moved the screen because I like the play that I made which was UNDER

Played against the move and told everyone to grab above 58. Closed 58.5 and I won, youd lost following the move. Better tune in more often. 1-5

CHARLOTTE over everybody needs to realize these are not good defenses. Over is the play.
Not on pod 1-6

anybody questions if I win or not just look at those moves. I win but still humbled. Good luck this week I moved because I bet because I researched and have an assistant. Good luck let me know if anything I can do for you because I move because I bet and I am pretty good! But humble. Good luck - Scoooop”
Not a bad impression. 1 for 7 on predictions of what would be played is a poor guess but hey what can you do? How come I feel as if I lost we would have gotten a different response? Maybe next week.
 
Not a bad impression. 1 for 7 on predictions of what would be played is a poor guess but hey what can you do? How come I feel as if I lost we would have gotten a different response? Maybe next week.
Of course you won, you said you did. Justperhaps you’re missing the entire point here but you do you you’re da GOAT keep picking up dem checks
 
Where are the transcripts of the podcast Scooper? Bettoriq clients went 9-2 for the week. I think pod netted around same units? Definitely no stale numbers of any kind were discussed. Thanks for your help Scoop
Nice job Drink, also nice hit on NW Under, I thought I was in pretty good shape with them beating the closer by 5 points, but they really stink this year
 

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
JK- do you think Northwestern could find a better coach than Fitzgerald?
Highly doubtful.

I was there when Denny Green served as the head coach at Northwestern.

At the time, Green was the youngest head coach in D-1 football.

Green came to our fraternity for a Fireside Chat.

I wasn't impressed.

He was a highly-touted Bill Walsh disciple.

The Cats suffered through a 34-game losing streak in the early 1980's.

I still have a button the school handed out at the turnstiles of a home game against Michigan State when the losing streak reached 27 games.

The button read, "Stop State at 28."
 
I'm absolutely missing the point apparently.
Break it down for me please.
Im assuming he means you say I alot, and brag alot, get offended on any disagreement. are a narcissist, on your podcasts your football venacular is subpar, but you talk like an authority. it is off putting for many.
 
and you instead of pausing for perspective, you counter punch people attempting to help, you're not alone, this is the case with most millenials
 
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