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The Pirates went 19-41 in the shortened season of 2020.
If they continue at that pace (31%), they'll win about 50 games in 2021.
Will Jameson Taillon be available?
If they continue at that pace (31%), they'll win about 50 games in 2021.
Will Jameson Taillon be available?
Viejo Dinosaur
EOG Master
Will Realmuto resign with the Phillies?
Supposedly he will. But two Tommy John surgeries and testicular cancer; he's been through a lot. Missed all of 2020 and most of 2019.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30527626/pirates-jameson-taillon-track-2021-return
Viejo Dinosaur
EOG Master
Padres stealing....great acquisition....Padres GM wants to win....
winkyduck
TYVM Morgan William!!!
Only problem is Dodgers and Braves are still in the NL. But things should get very interesting in 2021. If/when fans are allowed into games those Dodgers @ Padres games are gonna be ones not to miss. Petco frequently sounds like Dodger Stadium when the 2 play in SD. Will be fun to see what Petco sounds like when fans are allowed back.
kane
EOG master
I don't think so VD, no question Snell is a stud, and I'm sure he's glad to be on a team that might allow him to pitch longer than 4 innings, but no one steals anything from the Rays, the guys that run that franchise are some of the sharpest around, and no one ever takes advantage of them, in fact it's just the opposite, they typically win every trade they make. I have no idea who they got back for moving Snell, but there's a strong chance at least one of them will being a star player for them, the Rays rarely make mistakes, this looks like a trade that's a win win for both teams, the Padres win the trade now, but in a couple of years when those prospects are major league ready, that's when Tampa wins the trade as well
winkyduck
TYVM Morgan William!!!
Same when trading with Jerry West. Just know you are gonna get the worst end of the deal if/when you make a trade with him
SHORT TERM................Rays lost this trade
LONG TERM..................Rays might not be massive winners but they wont get fleeced.
The one thing to keep in mind is: Snell going from AL to NL means he will have to bat meaning he might go an inning less than in the AL because the Fathers might need to PH for him in B5 instead of him going another inning, or so
Viejo Dinosaur
EOG Master
Just my opinion Kane, but they got fleeced....Tampa could have gotten better talent....would like to see McIrish chime in and see what he has to say....Padres are smart at protecting their younger talent...
kane
EOG master
VD, one of the guys the Rays got back is a pitcher named Luis Patino, he's the Padres number one pitching prospect, when you say the Rays should have gotten back better talent, they don't trade players for veterans, they trade for young guys no one has heard of, and they end up becoming good players, there's no way to know how the Rays did until you see what type of players these prospects end up being, my best guess is that in a couple of years this Patino kid is a solid major league pitcher, of course there's no way to know, but if I'm a Rays fan, I trust the front office
Viejo Dinosaur
EOG Master
Kane....MacKenzie Gore is their top pitching prospect....probably one of the top ten in all of baseball...
kane
EOG master
In the article I read they were assuming Gore would be in their rotation this year, I should have specified number one minor league pitching prospect, at least according to the story I read
Viejo Dinosaur
EOG Master
Seems to me that both teams are happy with the deal....In my mind Snell is a stud....
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
It sure looks that way.
Viejo Dinosaur
EOG Master
Darvish to the Padres...wow
blueline
EOG Master
time to see if they can move Bryant
Teams in the AL Central over the past decade seem to have agreed to a salary cap of sorts.
Maybe their National League counterparts have been taking notes.
#Collusion
winkyduck
TYVM Morgan William!!!
They might as well knowing he will be gone after 2021. No way Borass keeps him there although doubt the Cubs would want to keep him knowing how much money/years it will take. Borass will seek at least 10 years and $300M. Now - what he will get is something else but Borass will want at least 10 years and $275 with an "out" after 3-ish years so he can try and get Bryant another 10-year contract for close to $300M
WildBill
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Seems insane but that's Boras. Word is that if the Rockies traded Arenado they might have to adjust a deal to reflect how much he makes. He's got a market salary with player option less than Bryant. No way teams will pay more for Bryant than Arenado considering the defensive differences.
winkyduck
TYVM Morgan William!!!
The one thing we have learned over the years: NEVER be shocked at what Borass can pull off. NEVER! I'd like to agree with you but it only takes ONE team to be stupid. And we now that might very well happen.
The weird thing about Borass is he is as quiet as it gets most of the time. When I reffed youth league basketball games a few times I did his son's games. Scott was there. I think he said 5 words for all games I did. He knows my face. If I see him he will acknowledge me. Seriously. A few people I know worked for him (one still does). I know he gets a lot of hell but his job is to get the best deal for his clients. PERIOD! He does that. To all people ripping him I ask just this one question: If you were a top player - would you want him as your agent? Anyone who says "No" is a moron.
Borass is in it to get the best deal for his clients - as all agents should. Don't blame him for getting a great deal. Blame the owners who bid against themselves and give him a deal far better than they should. Scott Boras is not bad for the game. Owners who give his clients those deals are bad for the game.
Could the early 2020's be like the early 2010's for the Cubs?
The Cubs finished fifth in the NL Central for five consecutive seasons from 2010-2014.
FairWarning
Bells Beer Connoisseur
Drnkyourmlkshk
EOG Dedicated
Completely disagree. I got into a little with daviddaman over this. Ray's gave up the best contract in MLB for a top 10 pitcher maybe in history. Snell made 10m a year, morton made 5.3 and they got rid of both. Morton they didnt even offer anything.
Tampa is a great organization and probably the most efficient sports franchise in history but they're gonna struggle with the shift being banned soon. They also went from the best 1-3 in MLB to a one and nothing but BP games and this is not a 60 game season anymore they're gonna need innings at some point.
Terrible offseason in my season. Pitino better be great because hes about to get 100 innings out of the pen. Padres win this trade just on finances the next 4 years alone.
Drnkyourmlkshk
EOG Dedicated
What's up with them wanting to deal Baez? I get Bryant and Rizzo they're regressing due to age and injuries.
i am only going what was said in the thread... I have no idea if he is on the market... He does whiff a lot... swings for fence. Great fielder.... it is pay day for him. he could hit .330 if he cut down his swing
WildBill
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Snell could prove to be something of a 1-year wonder as well. He's been nowhere near his 2018 form since then. I don't think you can comfortably say he's a top 10 pitcher and he's about to make more than 10m a year. Now pitching in Petco could help get his numbers down again, but expecting him to pitch like he did when he was 25 is taking a real risk. I think a lot of this talk is just recency bias because he pitched well in the playoffs, but Rays are smart and take a much wider perspective than counting on a small sample size being the norm.
Drnkyourmlkshk
EOG Dedicated
They took on 4.2 million and traded 10m for a top let's call it a top 20 pitcher who's market value is around 2.2x what he was getting paid if hes in that top 20 range and they had control for 4 more years. They could have gotten a better package at the ASB if they felt they had to trade him. From a financial standpoint I'm lost.
Drnkyourmlkshk
EOG Dedicated
That's a pretty good infield defensive I think?
Drnkyourmlkshk
EOG Dedicated
CF- Grisham/Allen
RF- Pham
Lf- Myers (yikes)
C- nola/carantini
Myers is a liability otherwise story checks out. They should waive Myers at this point imo. Some AL team will take his as a DH.
They have the best rotation in MLB 1-5 obviously dont need a 230 power hitter especially with Hosmer being awful of late at the plate.
RF- Pham
Lf- Myers (yikes)
C- nola/carantini
Myers is a liability otherwise story checks out. They should waive Myers at this point imo. Some AL team will take his as a DH.
They have the best rotation in MLB 1-5 obviously dont need a 230 power hitter especially with Hosmer being awful of late at the plate.