So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

Reload I dot feel like he was taking a shot. You can take the books side but dont accuse him off taking a shot at the book. Think he is the one getting screwed here.
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

you are going to have to get out of this thread now as a paid by bfc idiot.
I am not paid by BFC or EOG. After looking at all sides of this and having the experience I do with bad line situations, BFC is right and the players are wrong. From there, BFC can choose how they want to handle it like any business would. Will canceling wagers cause enough uproar that it results in less business their way going forward? It's up to them. Mike has done more than enough to prove his points - a lot more than most (if not all) sportsbook operators would have done tonight.
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

BFC, All dallas wagers were canceled as well I assume.

?
I want to see the idiot that would bet the ML dog. They had no Dallas bets well some of the posters on this site are as dumb as a box of rocks so you really never know.
 
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The line was -280 for most of the day. BFC had it at -265. They didn't adjust their line fast enough so they just say ok let's cancel all the bets. :LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO

Not sure how people can step in and defend bfc by saying "bad line" . Different story if it was -365 the whole day. They were too slow on adjusting the line so they lost.

We'll cancel instead, no biggie :LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO
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I am not paid by BFC or EOG. After looking at all sides of this and having the experience I do with bad line situations, BFC is right and the players are wrong. From there, BFC can choose how they want to handle it like any business would. Will canceling wagers cause enough uproar that it results in less business their way going forward? It's up to them. Mike has done more than enough to prove his points - a lot more than most (if not all) sportsbook operators would have done tonight.

Reload can you answer my question how the line did not move through 46 monster bets as he called them?
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

Reload I dot feel like he was taking a shot. You can take the books side but dont accuse him off taking a shot at the book. Think he is the one getting screwed here.


This is certainly not in the shot taking category either. If the line read +365 and someone unloaded that would be taking a shot. In this instance a book made a mistake and they recognized it, acted 60 minutes before tip, and gave the players a chance to get their wagers in again at the line they had wanted.

Was this truly a bad line? Lets check out lines from a BFC 1H moneyline that had the exact same spread. We should need to do little more to see how BFC values this position.
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

I want to see the idiot that would bet the ML dog. They had no Dallas bets well some of the posters on this site are as dumb as a box of rocks so you really never know.
Someone bet Dallas;;;;It will come out......

Lets wait and see.....Lifeboats away!!:hangt
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

So you are saying that this was at -280 most of the day at other joints, and BFC wanted to throw it up there at -365 right off the bat? What the hell is the reason behind this reload?
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

These guys have been screwing people on their moneylines since they started. They are making a killing on this robbery juice they are charging you guys. They should give Ruca his money and void his second half bet.


Ruca I have never been much of a fan of yours and I think you are one of the biggest RUBES on here but I really feel bad the way they screwed you on this deal. You should have won but they were successful in making you mad and then try to get back what you already won and then they knock you out on the second half bet. Don't ever send them another nickel. If you can't bet at Pinnacle or Matchbook send some money to 5 dimes. Never bet at a book rated below a B. And I mean never.
rated B by whom?
 
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Houston +335
Lakers -420

Boston +255
Orlando -310


No human can make money betting against this kind of juice. There should be some international law passed to outlaw this.
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They should have paid everyone. They would have made that amount back on the scam lines they have for tomorrow. -420 +335 Wow call the police this is a major robbery in progress.
 
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What about the suckers who bet Dallas? There had to be some who bet that line.. Common...Tell the truth..

So, not good night...Lets hear the whole truth.
I would guess not a single ticket worth mentioning came in on Dallas at the bad line's poor odds compared to everyone emptying their whole account on Denver. If there are any like that, I am sure BFC can share an example with us for a laugh.
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

Hines,
In this twitter attention span society, no one sees past what ESPN spoonfeeds them in bite-sized doses. I highly doubt that the number of people that read my post in this thread is greater than the number of appendages on a thresher-accident victim's hand. You know as well as I do that aside from the ritalin fueled ADD blink if you mised it crowd that the selfish nature of today's fast food obese American will prevent them from seeing the forest for the trees.

What SBG did was reprehensible, what occurred here was simply embarrassing and bad business practice by an obviously inefficient communicator. But in the words of the legendary Will Farnaby "NBA Nug Nugs yo. Gone baby loke on BFC. Word."

Welcome to the day care facility.
I read the entire response GD. It was what I have come to expect from you, and that is a voice of reasonableness (when it comes to books, bets and gambling). I would also like to see a post with absolute truth, what happened to the other side here, that, as MOFO has said, would be the end-point for me.
 
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Reload can you answer my question how the line did not move through 46 monster bets as he called them?

Again....Another valuable post.......

Perfect....Why did the line not move? Why?

I guess the action wasn't big enough?

This is too funny...I can see the point of cancelling the bets, that is not too bad of a reaction....but the line never moved! Ever...That makes the whole situation stink really bad....Add up all the mistakes, and that = the players should be paid out....

Just way too much bullshit here to believe BetfirstClass. I am sorry...
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

this is a completely shitty thing by bfc to do. it was not bad enough of a line to cancel, not even close. as others stated the line was rising all day so not as if it was -360 all over the place all day. it was as low as -280 i think, probably even lower at some points. how are people to assume -265 is a bad line? people shop around for the best line and they saw bfc had it. with all the bragging BFC does around here about their books you'd think they would offer some nice lines every now and then, but when htye do it just gets canceled.

Not surprising that the only ones sticking up for BFC are the mods. I realize they have to and that's fine, but it tells you a lot about the situation and the book.

Not a chance I ever put a penny into BFC. I had it as a low rated book already because of their shitty lines/juice, but now with this I see it's ran horribly as well. Just can't support that kind of book and not sure how anyone else could either. Only plus side to the book is they apparently pay very quickly. Who really cares about that when you have to bet bad lines and deal with these owners there.
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

We need someone who wagered on Dallas.
We need someone who bet a 1H moneyline wager with the same spread as todays game had. I believe the line was 6?
 
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Atleast Mo comes in as fair to both sides. Douchebag Reload coming and calling the players shot takers.

Amazing
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

Hines,
In this twitter attention span society, no one sees past what ESPN spoonfeeds them in bite-sized doses. I highly doubt that the number of people that read my post in this thread is greater than the number of appendages on a thresher-accident victim's hand. You know as well as I do that aside from the ritalin fueled ADD blink if you mised it crowd that the selfish nature of today's fast food obese American will prevent them from seeing the forest for the trees.

What SBG did was reprehensible, what occurred here was simply embarrassing and bad business practice by an obviously inefficient communicator. But in the words of the legendary Will Farnaby "NBA Nug Nugs yo. Gone baby loke on BFC. Word."

Welcome to the day care facility.
Not to get too off-topic, but we are totally in agreement here. People only live in the present and refuse to look at the future. We see it with our politicians every day, in our newspapers every morning, and in the lives of the majority of people. I read something not too long ago that only 10% of Americans made an effort to regularly save money before the depression. I believe I saw that in other advanced democracies the number was 30-40%. Quite telling. One day I will write 3000 words on here about what is wrong with our democracy and what we can do to try to fix it and why it will never happen and why Rousseau would say we are doomed.

I can't help but feel bad for BFC Mike in this situation. If he doesn't respond, how many views does this thread get? Maybe 100? Maybe 10-12 posts? But his proactive approach is once again hurting himself and BFC. It's kind of crazy that a book that takes the time to at least explain his rationale is chastised more adamantly than a book that does something worse and offers a half-hearted bullshit explanation.
 
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I think this is a very small time operation. Shrink has a few guys running this thing for him. These guys were out playing golf and not in the office and they did not know the line was wrong till they got back in the office after a few drinks after the round. They had some girl friday type the lines in and they freaked when they got back in the office and cancelled the bets. The only time I hear about this BFC is on this site so it must be a EOG homemade book. I bet Shrink has been buring up the phone lines to these guys mad as hell the ship has hit the iceberg like Bet US and Cascade and a few of his other recomended books.
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

We need someone who wagered on Dallas.
We need someone who bet a 1H moneyline wager with the same spread as todays game had. I believe the line was 6?

I agree with MOFOME......Lets see if there was some Dallas action....

There had to be..........Come forward young man...
 
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2 convictions of guilty.

1. a Dallas wager coming forward and the bet stood.

2. The line never moved. This is guilty........and negligent......

3. They did cancel the bets 1 hour before game time....


2 and 3 neutralize each other...Number 1 convicts Betfirstclass as Scammers.

Time will tell...
 
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And i don't appreciate you saying that r took a shot at them either you fat fucking piece shit.

You can clearly see that I was the one solicited here. He doesnt send me that PM and I send my money to a reputable book end up making 400 instead of losing 1100. You have added abloutley nothing to this threads just like you add nothing to this site except what fucking fast food joint you eat every day.
I don't try to win popularity contests around here and everyone knows that. BFC's decision is not going to please everyone and that is obvious. We are fortunate to have a sportsbook operator like Mike who will come on here and take death in the face from all of you by being as interactive as he is. There have been enough situations like this before with bad lines and cancelled wagers to know that nothing out of the ordinary was done here. Shot or no shot - case closed. Good night.
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

Atleast Mo comes in as fair to both sides. Douchebag Reload coming and calling the players shot takers.

Amazing
Yeah that's pretty ridiculous.

Betting Boston on the series at +270 when it's tied and they have HC is taking a shot. Taking a team -265 ML for the 1H when there were -280's available is hardly taking a shot. It is simply assuming BFC is either trying to have the best line, or entice people to take Denver because they like Dallas.

Betfirstclass- do you really want to send a message to people here that we should all ASSUME you have the worst lines out there? That is really what you are saying here. You're saying other places might have been -285 or -310, so you should assume ours are much higher, or else you're just taking a shot at the book? Not exactly a message I'd want to send out to people.
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

Atleast Mo comes in as fair to both sides. Douchebag Reload coming and calling the players shot takers.


Reload doesn't get paid here, he has nothing to gain by siding with anyone, he is just stating things as he sees them. He is a very good guy and, while in a situation like this I think you need to be a bit more careful with your wording, I can see where reload is coming from. I talk shit with people and have fun with, but not in situations like these. I take these very seriously and consider them completely unrelated to most anything else on the board. ie In games, talking about girls, talking about games or whatever else it may be. When matters such as these come up I will look at things objectively and side with my conscious.

If it is found that BFC has offered a -290 moneyline on a game that had a spread like this then I think that this wager should be honored. If it is found that they do indeed put it at -360 or even -320 then I can see their reasoning for correcting their own mistake before the game took place. Nowshe has handled this situation better than Mike has, in this thread.

We will look into this more and, if nothing can be done with BFC, I will see what we can do for Nowshe. Unfortunate all around and, in cetain instances, there truly is no wrong. As odd as that seems, the player has a gripe and the book seems within their rights to make this call in the timely manner that they did. More information will come, hopefully, and from that I will better be able to make my final decision on how I think this needs to be resolved.
 

BCTTWR

EOG Dedicated
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

You can get better lines than what Pinnacle offers sometimes if you have enough outs and watch the lines closely enough. But it will not be by MUCH. And better by 60-100 cents on a first half line WILL be cancelled. :)
What a fucking tool. How much is EOG paying you to sell your honesty and integrity? The line was -265 and -285 at other outs. BFC is quoting the steamed closing line at Pinnacle!
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

Reload I dot feel like he was taking a shot. You can take the books side but dont accuse him off taking a shot at the book. Think he is the one getting screwed here.
Shot or no shot - the line was bad. Why not just read rule #1 in BFC's General Rules at http://www.betfirstclass.com/rules.asp:

All wagers accepted by betfirstclass.com are subject to the following rules.

  1. betfirstclass reserves the rights to cancel any wager made on a bad line or wager after the event started.
 
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This is enough to convict BFC right here.


They like to post on this site how great their first half and halftime lines are . I don't know hom many times he says to bet his soft lines. Well Ruca bet his soft line and could not get paid. End of story. BFC guilty of theft as charged.
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

2 convictions of guilty.

1. a Dallas wager coming forward and the bet stood.

2. The line never moved. This is guilty........and negligent......

3. They did cancel the bets 1 hour before game time....


2 and 3 neutralize each other...Number 1 convicts Betfirstclass as Scammers.

Time will tell...


A poor decision would not be grounds for indictment as a scam book. BFC has made a lot of great offers, has paid quickly, has offered a lot of unique options to its players, and has, at times, gone out of their way to work with their players. This situation is ugly, and I still am not in a position to delegate any faults, but no matter what comes to surface this book has done enough good, for a long enough period of time, to eschew the scammer label.
 
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What a fucking tool. How much is EOG paying you to sell your honesty and integrity? The line was -265 and -285 at other outs. BFC is quoting the steamed closing line at Pinnacle!

Reload is a very good person and he makes nothing. He benefits nothing by voicing his opinion as he has; as we all have.
 
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Shot or no shot - the line was bad. Why not just read rule #1 in BFC's General Rules at http://www.betfirstclass.com/rules.asp:

All wagers accepted by betfirstclass.com are subject to the following rules.

  1. betfirstclass reserves the rights to cancel any wager made on a bad line or wager after the event started.
As I said before...I have no problem with you taking the books side....but you insinuated that he was taking a shot at the book. Big difference.
 
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So you are saying that this was at -280 most of the day at other joints, and BFC wanted to throw it up there at -365 right off the bat? What the hell is the reason behind this reload?
Like I have said in other posts, I do not work behind the counter at BFC or in any other capacity. If you don't want to believe what BFC says, that's your choice.
 
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Reload doesn't get paid here, he has nothing to gain by siding with anyone, he is just stating things as he sees them. He is a very good guy and, while in a situation like this I think you need to be a bit more careful with your wording, I can see where reload is coming from. I talk shit with people and have fun with, but not in situations like these. I take these very seriously and consider them completely unrelated to most anything else on the board. ie In games, talking about girls, talking about games or whatever else it may be. When matters such as these come up I will look at things objectively and side with my conscious.

If it is found that BFC has offered a -290 moneyline on a game that had a spread like this then I think that this wager should be honored. If it is found that they do indeed put it at -360 or even -320 then I can see their reasoning for correcting their own mistake before the game took place. Nowshe has handled this situation better than Mike has, in this thread.

We will look into this more and, if nothing can be done with BFC, I will see what we can do for Nowshe. Unfortunate all around and, in cetain instances, there truly is no wrong. As odd as that seems, the player has a gripe and the book seems within their rights to make this call in the timely manner that they did. More information will come, hopefully, and from that I will better be able to make my final decision on how I think this needs to be resolved.
:cheers Nice post. Im not looking for any hand outs or anything I didnt even accept the $100 free play. It was just a unfortunate error compiled by bad luck.

The 1st time I sent them money they accidentally gave me my bonus twice. When I saw the error I called Mike himself he thanked me for calling and told me most guys wouldnt have done that.

I got over being upset at the situation awhile ago but to have some prick like reload come in and act such an asshole got me all riled up about the again.
 
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