So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

Towelie

EOG Enthusiast
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

Bet First Class

game Moneylines


Houston +335
Lakers -420

Boston +255
Orlando -310


No human can make money betting against this kind of juice. There should be some international law passed to outlaw this.

We are getting closer and closer Cannon. Matchbook has changed the entire scope of the industry, more will follow suit and soon enough the hold percentages are going to be much more fair to the player. By the 2011 football season I would be suprised if the majority of the books are not dealing 14 cent lines or less.
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

I think his point is that BFC is in that 98-99th percentile as far as vig is concerned.
There are a lot of books out there to play at. All with different business models, different vigs, and different clientele. If you'd rather play at Matchbook than BFC, anyone is more than welcome to do so.
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

There are a lot of books out there to play at. All with different business models, different vigs, and different clientele. If you'd rather play at Matchbook than BFC, anyone is more than welcome to do so.
The thread is about BFC in particular, and im sure many will now take your advice on that matter. I was just saying what i think cannon is getting at.
 

BCTTWR

EOG Dedicated
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

What a precedent BFC set. If Pinnacle has a moneyline that is higher than BFC, you can expect your bets to be cancelled. A well deserved "D" rating for this horseshit book. Stay away or expect your wagers to be cancelled too if you get a better line than what Pinnacle is offering.
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

BSH,
I did it as a courtesy to the poster as I don't know him and have never interacted with him thus don't know if they have PMs or are familiar with that function.
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

TOW

-265 & -365

can you help me with my MATH on how that is only 6%--error Sir?????

-265 = 72.6% play
-365 = 78.5% play

Is it possible to run a book effectively and not know the math behind it all?


MESSAGE TO TOWLIE:

Just forget it. For your own peace of mind just let it go.
 
This really disturbs me.

This really disturbs me.

This Mike from Betfirstclass, shows absolutely no remorse.

This I dont understand? You are going to lose many customers Mike! Why did you cancel these bets? They were only worth a few thousand?

You could have handled this many different ways, yet you did not. This is why I would never send another dime to your joint. I would never want to deal with something like this.

Can I help you? Sure I can. But you have to start hiring people that are from the states and have EXPERIENCE in this.
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

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Line Set</TH><TH width=110>NFL</TH><TH width=110>NBA</TH><TH width=110>MLB</TH><TH width=110>NHL</TH><TH width=110>NCAAB</TH><TH width=110>NCAAF</TH></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=borderTable width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top>
Pinnacle Sports
SBR Rating A+

NO USA

Pinnacle Sports Review</U>

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-105
(10?)
&
-104
(8?)

</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>
Sides: -104 style
Max: $30,000
ML: starts at 10?
Max: $10,000
Totals: -105 style
Max: $10,000


</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>
Sides:
-105 style
Max: $20,000
ML: starts at 10?
Max: $10,000
Totals: -105 style
Max: $5,000


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RL: Starts at 10?
Max: $10,000
ML: 8?
(see chart)
Max: $20,000
Totals: -105 style
Max: $10,000



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PL:
Starts at 10?
Max: $2,000
ML: starts at 10?
Max: $5,000
Totals: -105 style
Max: $3,000


</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>
Sides:
-105 style
Max: $3,000
ML: starts at 10?
Max: $2,000
Totals: -105 style
Max: $500


</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>
Sides:
-105 style
Max: $10,000
ML: starts at 10?
Max: $5,000
Totals: -105 style
Max: $2,000


</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE class=borderTable width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top>
5Dimes
SBR Rating A

5Dimes Review</U>

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-105
(10?)

</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>
Sides:
-105 style
Max: $500
ML: starts at 10?
Max: $500
Totals: -105 style
Max: $500


</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>
Sides: -105 style
Max: $500
ML: starts at 10? Max: $500
Totals: -105 style
Max: $500



</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>
RL: Starts at 10?
Max: $500
ML: 5? at night
(Night Nickel Line Chart)
10? during day
(see chart)
Max: $500
Totals: -105 style
Max: $500

</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>
Sides: -105 style
Max: $500
ML: starts at 10? Max: $500
Totals: -105 style
Max: $500



</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>
Sides: -105 style
Max: $500
ML: starts at 10? Max: $500
Totals: -105 style
Max: $500



</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>
Sides: -105 style
Max: $500
ML: starts at 10? Max: $500
Totals: -105 style
Max: $500



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BetGuardian
SBR Rating B+

BetGuardian overview</U>

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-105
(10?)

</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>
Sides:
-105 style*
Max: $250
ML: -105 style
Max: $250
Totals: Full juice
(-110)
Max: $250
Note: *Lines on 3 or 7s will be at full vigorish (?110).


</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>
Sides:
-105 style
Max: $250
ML: Full juice (20?)
Max: $250
Totals: -105 style
Max: $250


</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>
RL: Full juice (20?)
Max: $250
ML: 10?
(see chart)
Max: $250
Totals: Full juice (20?)
Max: $250


</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>
PL:
Full juice (20?)
Max: $250
ML: Full juice (20?)
Max: $250
Totals: Full juice
(-110)
Max: $250


</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>
Sides:
-105 style
Max: $250
ML: Full juice
(-110)
Max: $250
Totals: -105 style
Max: $250


</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>
Sides: -105 style
Max: $250
ML: Full juice
(-110) Max: $250
Totals: -105 style
Max: $250



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ThePig
SBR Rating A

ThePig overview</U>

</TD><TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; PADDING-TOP: 5px" width=50 bgColor=#e2e2e2>

-108
(16?)​

</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>
Sides:
-108 style
Max: $500
ML: Full juice (20?)
Max: $500
Totals: -108 style
Max: $500


</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>
Sides:
-108 style
Max: $500
ML: Full juice (20?)
Max: $500
Totals: -108 style
Max: $500


</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>
RL:
starts at 16?
Max: $500
ML: starts at 16?
Max: $500
Totals: Full juice
(-110)
Max: $500


</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>
PL: Full juice (20?)
Max: $500
ML: Full juice (20?)
Max: $500
Totals: Full juice
(-110)
Max: $500


</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>
Sides:
-108 style
Max: $500
ML: Full juice (20?)
Max: $500
Totals: -108 style
Max: $500


</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>
Sides:
-108 style
Max: $500
ML: Full juice (20?)
Max: $500
Totals: -108 style
Max: $500


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Canbet
SBR Rating A-

NO USA

Canbet overview</U>

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-107
(14?)​

</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>
Sides:
-107 style
Max: $3,000+
ML: Full juice (20?)
Max: $3,000+
Totals: -107 style
Max: $3,000+
Note: Canbet limits will vary


</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>
Sides:
-107 style
Max: $3,000+
ML: Full juice (20?)
Max: $3,000+

Totals: -107 style
Max: $3,000+
Note: Canbet limits will vary



</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>
RL:
Full juice (20?)
Max: $3,000+
ML: 10?
(see chart)
Max: $3,000+
Totals: Full juice
(-110)
Max: $3,000+
Note: Canbet limits will vary



</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>
PL: Full juice (20?)
Max: $3,000+
ML: Full juice (20?)
Max: $3,000+

Totals: Full juice
(
-110)
Max: $3,000+
Note: Canbet limits will vary




</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>Sides: Full juice
(
-110)
Max: $3,000+
ML: Full juice (20?)
Max: $3,000+
Totals: Full juice
(
-110)
Max: $3,000+
Note: Canbet limits will vary

</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>
Sides:
Full juice
(
-110)
Max: $3,000+
ML: Full juice (20?)
Max: $3,000+

Totals: Full juice
(
-110)
Max: $3,000+
Note: Canbet limits will vary


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BetPhoenix
SBR Rating B

BetPhoenix overview</U>

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-105
(10?)

</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>Sides: -105 style
Max: $3,000
ML: Full juice (20?)
Max: $5,000
Totals: -105 style
Max: $5,000

</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>Sides: -105 style
Max: $3,000
ML: Full juice (20?)
Max: $2,000
Totals: -105 style
Max: $2,000

</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>
RL: Full juice (20?)
Max: $3,000
ML: Full juice (-110)
Max: $3,000
Totals: Full juice
(-120)
Max: $1,000



</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>PL: Full juice (20?)
Max: $2,000
ML: Full juice (20?)
Max: $2,000

Totals: Full juice
(
20?)
Max: $1,000

</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>Sides: -105 style
Max: $1,000
ML: Full juice (20?)
Max: $1,000
Totals: -105 style
Max: $500

</TD><TD vAlign=center width=110 bgColor=#e2e2e2>Sides: -105 style
Max: $3,000
ML: Full juice (20?)
Max: $2,000

Totals: -105 styleMax: $2,000


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Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

What a precedent BFC set. If Pinnacle has a moneyline that is higher than BFC, you can expect your bets to be cancelled. A well deserved "D" rating for this horseshit book. Stay away or expect your wagers to be cancelled too if you get a better line than what Pinnacle is offering.
You can get better lines than what Pinnacle offers sometimes if you have enough outs and watch the lines closely enough. But it will not be by MUCH. And better by 60-100 cents on a first half line WILL be cancelled. :)
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

Shrink your commission checks from BFC are going to be to small to pay the postage on the envelope very soon.
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

You can get better lines than what Pinnacle offers sometimes if you have enough outs and watch the lines closely enough. But it will not be by MUCH. And better by 60-100 cents on a first half line WILL be cancelled. :)
Well dip shit if you do the math this bet didnt fall into your 60-100 range. and that was pinnys closing line the highest point it went off at.
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

Laying this kind of juice at BFC is like buying all your groceries at 7-11 for the rest of your life. You are buying a way over priced product.
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

You can get better lines than what Pinnacle offers sometimes if you have enough outs and watch the lines closely enough. But it will not be by MUCH. And better by 60-100 cents on a first half line WILL be cancelled. :)

you are going to have to get out of this thread now as a paid by bfc idiot.
 
MIKE, JUST CLOSE SHOP AND TAKE OFF....

MIKE, JUST CLOSE SHOP AND TAKE OFF....

THE JUDGE IS TAKING A PASS HERE, HE MUST HAVE THE LOOT....LOL

ITS NOT WORKING OUT.......LET ME HELP YOU....
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

This site is full of BFC ghosts. Another SHRINK sponsored homemade book. You would think you guys would have learned your lesson by now. What a bunch of lemmings.
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

Can someone answer a novice a question. When a line is up at -265 and people start firing away wouldnt a line move anyway even if it wasnt a bad line in the first place?

How can it sit through 46 full account balance bets and never move?
 
WHAT A MESS!

WHAT A MESS!

It looks like Betfirstclass hit an iceberg. It is only a matter of time before they change the name to BetTitanic.

Buy me a plane ticket....I will be down tomorrow, and stop the sinking.
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

This site is full of BFC ghosts. Another SHRINK sponsored homemade book. You would think you guys would have learned your lesson by now. What a bunch of lemmings.
If Shrink was awake and at the wheeel he'd say pay them.. BFC poster made the mistake of not waiting till the old heads can resolve.
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

SIR

steve is 1000% right (this time)

#1 we emailed & messaged ALL accts well over 1 hr prior to tip

#2 RED FLAG was you & many others bet every Penny in their acct . . . . .

#3 Pinnacle who is Cheapest & BEST shop in WORLD for Moneylines ran it
-322 / so WHY would you have thought BFC was running it -265

#4 See ticket above submitted AFTER you @ -365 did you think $400 wager
moved line 100-cents

IF Bet had been cancelled AFTER game started, I"D BE MATTER THAN HELL

However, ALL wagers were cancelled Well over HOUR Before game & all accts were sent not only an email but all accts were Messaged as well . . . . . .

Very sorry but Line was to READ -365 / the first QTR was -265

That is more than many offer. Books make mistakes all the time, frequently they wont even give you your money back to play with until the event has completed, at which time they will call it canceled. BFC Canceled the bet before the tip, much less the result.
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

:cheers:cheers
Can someone answer a novice a question. When a line is up at -265 and people start firing away wouldnt a line move anyway even if it wasnt a bad line in the first place?

How can it sit through 46 full account balance bets and never move?

Mickey mouse software and fat ass americano's playing golf all day and banging tico mama's
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.









EOG BFC LEMMINGS. When Shrink says jump they always do. Amazing as hell. Must be some sort of mind control to get posters to send money to a D rated book. Very impressive.
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

That is more than many offer. Books make mistakes all the time, frequently they wont even give you your money back to play with until the event has completed, at which time they will call it canceled. BFC Canceled the bet before the tip, much less the result.

Sorry you feel this way Hope it changes overnight. deal breaker for me
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

Can someone answer a novice a question. When a line is up at -265 and people start firing away wouldnt a line move anyway even if it wasnt a bad line in the first place?

How can it sit through 46 full account balance bets and never move?
Excellent, Excellent point.....This is a great point....

Who did they hire to watch these lines? The captain of the Titanic, thats who! And Mike is half retarded, so its the blind leading the blind.

LOL....
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

Well dip shit if you do the math this bet didnt fall into your 60-100 range. and that was pinnys closing line the highest point it went off at.
I think we have all done enough math tonight - including the players who did their math knowing BFC's line was a very advantageous bet for them. They got caught and hung out to dry. Bets cancelled. Good night.
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

Excellent, Excellent point.....This is a great point....

Who did they hire to watch these lines? The captain of the Titanic, thats who! And Mike is half retarded, so its the blind leading the blind.

LOL....
Which book are you going after next and when, i want to be around for the fireworks...nap jr.
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

I think we have all done enough math tonight - including the players who did their math knowing BFC's line was a very advantageous bet for them. They got caught and hung out to dry. Bets cancelled. Good night.
So BFC goes over the top and shafts the players after that. When they finally noticed they jacked it sky high. But Mike says they wanted to start it off at -365???? Not buying. Good night.
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

I think we have all done enough math tonight - including the players who did their math knowing BFC's line was a very advantageous bet for them. They got caught and hung out to dry. Bets cancelled. Good night.
What about the suckers who bet Dallas? There had to be some who bet that line.. Common...Tell the truth..

So, not good night...Lets hear the whole truth.
 
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Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

I think we have all done enough math tonight - including the players who did their math knowing BFC's line was a very advantageous bet for them. They got caught and hung out to dry. Bets cancelled. Good night.
And i don't appreciate you saying that r took a shot at them either you fat fucking piece shit.

You can clearly see that I was the one solicited here. He doesnt send me that PM and I send my money to a reputable book end up making 400 instead of losing 1100. You have added abloutley nothing to this threads just like you add nothing to this site except what fucking fast food joint you eat every day.
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

Where were all you guys for the SBG thread? What SBG did was far worse and has not led to near the replies or views as this.
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

Sorry you feel this way Hope it changes overnight. deal breaker for me

Don't be sorry for how I feel, I am not sorry for how you feel. I am sorry, however, that all of this transpired as it did. Its ugly when mistakes occur, but BFC has been good to many here and in this instance that made a decision before the game tipped off. Hard to say at what point a line officially becomes a clearly erroneous one, but this book deemed the line to be off by an amount significant enough to cancel these wagers. The players deemed the line off enough to make max wagers on the game. The book didnt determine how bad the line was on their own, the players did as well.

I think that, in this instance, we may be able to do a little something better than just a small free play. I don't envy either partys position in this matter.
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

These guys have been screwing people on their moneylines since they started. They are making a killing on this robbery juice they are charging you guys. They should give Ruca his money and void his second half bet.


Ruca I have never been much of a fan of yours and I think you are one of the biggest RUBES on here but I really feel bad the way they screwed you on this deal. You should have won but they were successful in making you mad and then try to get back what you already won and then they knock you out on the second half bet. Don't ever send them another nickel. If you can't bet at Pinnacle or Matchbook send some money to 5 dimes. Never bet at a book rated below a B. And I mean never.
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

Hines,
In this twitter attention span society, no one sees past what ESPN spoonfeeds them in bite-sized doses. I highly doubt that the number of people that read my post in this thread is greater than the number of appendages on a thresher-accident victim's hand. You know as well as I do that aside from the ritalin fueled ADD blink if you mised it crowd that the selfish nature of today's fast food obese American will prevent them from seeing the forest for the trees.

What SBG did was reprehensible, what occurred here was simply embarrassing and bad business practice by an obviously inefficient communicator. But in the words of the legendary Will Farnaby "NBA Nug Nugs yo. Gone baby loke on BFC. Word."

Welcome to the day care facility.
 
Re: So I deposited a little money over at BFC today.

I would love to see one person post a Dallas play that was not cancelled...

Come forward young one...Post that bet..
 
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