Top Ranking CIA Operatives Admit Al-qaeda Is a Complete Fabrication

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Shoot the messenger if you want, and that seems to be an art form around here, but I do believe there is some credibility to this. There is a video in the link.

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Top Ranking CIA Operatives Admit Al-qaeda Is a Complete Fabrication

BBC?s killer documentary called ?The Power of Nightmares?. Top CIA officials openly admit, Al-qaeda is a total and complete fabrication, never having existed at any time. The Bush administration needed a reason that complied with the Laws so they could go after ?the bad guy of their choice? namely laws that had been set in place to protect us from mobs and ?criminal organizations? such as the Mafia. They paid Jamal al Fadl, hundreds of thousands of dollars to back the U.S. Government?s story of Al-qaeda, a ?group? or criminal organization they could ?legally? go after. This video documentary is off the hook?


FOX NEWS Interview with Ian Blair (THIS IS A LINK NOT RELATED TO THE VIDEO):Blair said, ?Al Qaeda is not an organization. Al Qaeda is a way of working ? but this has the hallmark of that approach.?


Top Ranking CIA Operatives Admit Al-qaeda Is a Complete Fabrication | polidics.com
 

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Lots of credibility for me.
Al Qaeda wasn't a spontaneously formed movement;it arose out of the madrasa's[muslim schools] that were created in Pakistan in the late 70's to recruit jihadists to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan.The CIA and ISI[Pakistan intelligence which works closely with the CIA] had a hand in starting the entire "Islamo-fascist" network.

The ties to jihad came in handy when it came time to put the neo-con PNAC[Plan for a New American Century]into action,as dupes and patsies could be gotten to effect the major terrorist event that changed the course of US and world history 9/11.The hijackers IMO were controlled by and handled indirectly[so deniability could be maintained]towards a desired series of actions.

The CIA has a notorious past, and it's operations are like a sausagemakers, about whose products people say "don't ask what's in the sausage",the American public is just supposed to swallow the lies,and live their lives in blissful ignorance,and indifference.

Here's a telling excerpt from a detailed article on the CIA and it's victims:
[for the full article go to:
The Existentialist Cowboy: CIA Holocaust Claims Twenty Million Victims]

The numbers don't lie! At the end of a detailed statistical study, the CIA will be found, like a spider in its web, at the bump on a bell curve, at the very nexus of murder, mayhem and heinous acts of terrorism that it has exported across the globe. It is an indictment that will include the deaths of US citizens in America.

CIA atrocities may be categorized:
  • Secret Wars
  • Assassinations
  • Subversions of targeted regimes
  • Overt terrorism
  • Support of other terrorist organizations
  • Exploitation and/or creation of terrorist organizations like 'al Qaeda'.
  • Drug sales, primarily cocaine and its derivative --crack.
  • Domestic Assassinations and acts of terrorism
The US government, especially under the GOP regimes of Ronald Reagan, Bush Sr, and now the shrub, have given up the dream of peace. The result is an Orwellian nightmare, a state of perpetual war put into effect by the CIA, the Praetorian Guard to America's privileged elite. The nightmares --domestic and foreign --are of our own making. Worse than "mutually assured destruction", this thug government within a government may very well spell the end of humankind, at least the end of those dreams that make life worth living. It was an avoidable choice forced upon us by incompetent, cowardly and corrupt right wing inspired 'leadership'

Since World War II, the peace achieved with this strategy has been illusory. "Peace" has become an Orwellian term for a series of crimes against humanity. The secret wars waged by the CIA hardly penetrates the American consciousness, numbed as we are by a compromised mainstream media. Largely owned by the likes of Rupert Murdoch and other extreme right wing corporations, media, at the highest levels of ownership and management, are complicit. Many conflicts escape the glare of publicity --by design or by incompetence. Some are low-intensity conflicts designed to slip under the radar.


At the very heart of the CIA modus operandi is the network of proxy governments, by nature, oligarchical, naturally allied with America's privileged classes. The CIA has little trouble convincing this class that its work abroad is 'patriotic'.



By now, the CIA has become expert in waging wars by proxy, encouraging domestic terrorism, subverting elected governments.
CIA operations follow the same recurring script. First, American business interests abroad are threatened by a popular or democratically elected leader. The people support their leader because he intends to conduct land reform, strengthen unions, redistribute wealth, nationalize foreign-owned industry, and regulate business to protect workers, consumers and the environment. So, on behalf of American business, and often with their help, the CIA mobilizes the opposition. First it identifies right-wing groups within the country (usually the military), and offers them a deal: "We'll put you in power if you maintain a favorable business climate for us." The Agency then hires, trains and works with them to overthrow the existing government (usually a democracy). --Steve Kangas, A Timeline of CIA Atrocities

Pakistan is a case in point.
Since 9/11, the Bush administration has been propping up Musharraf's military regime with $3.6 billion in economic aid from the US and a US-sponsored consortium, not to mention $900 million in military aid and the postponement of overdue debt repayments totaling $13.5 billion. But now the administration is debating whether Musharraf has become too dependent on Islamic extremist political parties in Pakistan to further US interests, and whether he should be pressured to permit the return of two exiled former prime ministers, Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif, who have formed an electoral alliance to challenge him in presidential elections scheduled for next year. --Pakistan: Friend or Foe? The US shouldn't prop up President Musharraf's military regime, Selig S. Harrison​
The late Benazir Bhutto revealed the truth before she was brutally gunned down in the streets of Karachi: US policy causes world terrorism. She died before she could tell the rest of the story. See also: Terrorism is worse under GOP regimes.

When the United States aligns with dictatorships and totalitarian regimes, it compromises the basic democratic principles of its foundation -- namely, life, liberty and justice for all. Dictatorships such as Musharraf's suppress individual rights and freedoms and empower the most extreme elements of society. Oppressed citizens, unable to represent themselves through other means, often turn to extremism and religious fundamentalism.​
Benazir Bhutto, A False Choice for Pakistan
 
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I sorry to say this, but I'm not surprised by any of this. When no oversight is in place, as is the case with the CIA, anything can happen, and usually does.
This rouge organization operates at will, doing whatever it pleases, when and where it wants.
 
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Top CIA officials openly admit, Al-qaeda is a total and complete fabrication, never having existed at any time.
:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO

I guess all those bombings they took credit for didn't exist either. Here is another guy on the crack pipe.
 

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:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO

I guess all those bombings they took credit for didn't exist either. Here is another guy on the crack pipe.
A bombing or other incident could be done by anyone,and then be attributed to Al-Qaeda afterwards.
Things aren't always what they seem on the surface.
Article below,on the subject,with plenty of links to explore further, is
from:
Examples of documented 'False Flag Terrorism'

Examples of documented 'False Flag Terrorism'

B07329 / Sun, 10 Jul 2005 14:20:17 / Intelligence

After reading the article detailing the proposed and existing oil pipeline routes in the Middle East at http://szamko.gnn.tv/blogs/17155/Pipeline_Time then consider the following examples of ?false flag terrorist operations?... where governments fund, set-up, and execute their own covert terror operations and blame scapegoat nations or ?alleged? terror cells like Al Qaeda to ,muster support for further war (to ultimately dominate world economies through control of the world oil supplies).


The point being that world citizens are not only the cannon fodder in the slaughter?but end up paying the tab through increased interest fees and taxation by corporate politicians for their war expenditures.


1.) British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook: ?Al Qaeda? was the name of a U.S. intelligence database ... also see fabricating_the_enemy


2.) The phony (Mossad) Al Qaeda Cell in Palestine ? plus more documented examples of intelligence agents impersonating and setting up Al Qaeda cell groups strategically


3.) FSB (ex-KGB) behind 1999 bombings in Russia?
Publica | 05.03.2002 23:14 See source


?FSB (ex-KGB) was behind the apartment bloc bombings that were carried out in Russia in September 1999?, says Boris Berezovsky, a former Kremlin insider who has since fallen out with the Putin government.


Nikita Chegulain, a former undercover agent of the antiterrorist division of the FSB, said he possessed documentary evidence that proved that highly explosive hexogen was withdrawn from military bases and distributed secretely to regional organisations. He incriminates top government officials in the coverup; independent investigations have so far been blocked.


The panel brought attention to already known facts about a foiled explosion in Ryazan on 22 September 1999. The FSB was forced to admit that it had planted the device, when phonecalls amongst its agents were intercepted. Yet, simultaneously, head of the FSB Patrushev claimed that the explosives were actually sugar and that this was part of a so-called security exercise.

This sharply contradicts the version of the local police force which had determined that the substance was hexogen and that the detonator equipment was real and set for 5.30am ? ?the clock was ticking?. Four explosives experts from Britain and France recently examined the available evidence from the Ryazan incident and concluded that the bomb was authentic.


4.) In depth article: Originally set up as a network of clandestine cells to be activated behind the lines in the event of a Soviet invasion of Western Europe, ?Gladio? quickly expanded into a tool for political repression and manipulation, directed by NATO and Washington


5.) ?Operation Northwoods? was a US government plan to stage the assassination of civilians and blame it on Communist Cuba. See ?Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba?, National Security_Archive


6.) The Japanese code was broken 9-12 days prior to the Pearl Harbor attack. Foreknowledge of Japan?s planned attack on Pearl Harbor by the US Administration was tantamount to complicity. See Source


7.) Former British MP, Galloway, Wary Of Staged_Terror_Attack As Pretext For Iran Invasion: June 1st, 2005


8.) London Underground Bombing Exercises Took Place at Same Time as Real Attack


9.) Explosions In London: Who Stands To Gain?
Israel Diplomat Warned, Cover-up_In_Progress


10.) A confirmation of the report that Israel?s Netanyahu received a warning prior to the first blast in London 7/7/2005

From ABC station WTVG 36, Lexington_Kentucky
Terrorism expert says at least one person tipped off to London attacks.


Terrorism expert Tommy Preston of Preston Global in Frankfort, Kentucky, said sources in the intelligence community reported that at least one person in London, England was warned of Thursday morning?s terrorist attacks moments before the initial blast. Preston, citing sources in the intelligence community, said former Israeli Prime Minister and current Finance Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, was in London this morning for an economic forum. ?Just before the first blast, Netanyahu got a call from the Israeli Embassy telling him to stay in his hotel room. The hotel is located next to the subway station where the first attack occurred and he did stay put and shortly after that, there was the explosion,? Preston said.


11.) The Muslim Terrorist Apparatus was Created by US_Intelligence


12.) Another taboo subject is the longevity of the United States as both a terrorist state and a haven for terrorists. That the US is the only nation on record to have been condemned by the World Court for international terrorism (in Nicaragua ), and has vetoed a UN Security Council resolution calling on governments to observe international law, is unmentionable.


13.) America as Terrorist Haven: ?A chief terrorist with long ties to US intelligence agencies is seeking asylum in the United States. The FBI has evidence linking him to an airline bombing that killed 73 people. We?re talking about the notorious militant Cuban exile: Luis Posada Carriles.?
Democracy_Now ! May 9, 2005


?Though the terrorist?s presence has been an open secret in Miami, neither President George W. Bush nor Florida Gov. Jeb Bush has ordered a manhunt. The U.S. press corps has been largely silent as well.


The reason is that this terrorist, Luis Posada Carriles, was a CIA-trained Cuban whose long personal war against Fidel Castro?s government is viewed sympathetically by the two Bush brothers and their father. When it comes to the Bush family, Posada is the epitome of the old saying that ?one man?s terrorist is another man?s freedom fighter.?


The Bush administration ? which has imprisoned Jose Padilla and other alleged Muslim ?enemy combatants? without trial ? has taken a far more lenient approach toward the 77-year-old Posada, who is still wanted in Venezuela for the bombing of a Cubana Airlines plane in 1976 that killed 73 people. Posada also has admitted involvement in a deadly hotel bombing campaign in Cuba in 1997.?

Consortium_News , April 25, 2005
?A Cuban exile who has waged a campaign of bombings and assassination attempts aimed at toppling Fidel Castro says that his efforts were supported financially for more than a decade by the Cuban-American leaders of one of America?s most influential lobbying groups.


The exile, Luis Posada Carriles, said he organized a wave of bombings in Cuba last year at hotels, restaurants and discotheques, killing an Italian tourist and alarming the Cuban Government. Posada was schooled in demolition and guerrilla warfare by the Central Intelligence Agency in the 1960?s.

14.) In California, in the eighties, John Pilger (investigative journalist and writer) met four Vietnamese who had been assassins in America?s Operation Phoenix; one of them ran a fast food drive-in. He seemed a contented man. What all these people have in common, apart from their history of terrorism, is that they were either working directly for the US government or carrying out the dirty work of American policies. Operation Phoenix, for example, devised, funded and run by the CIA, was responsible for up to 50,000 murders. He states:

?Much was made of al-Qa?ida?s training camps in Afghanistan, the target of American bombers. But these were kindergartens compared with the world?s leading university of terrorism at Fort_Benning in Georgia. Known until recently as the School of the Americas, it trained some 60,000 Latin American soldiers, policemen, paramilitaries and intelligence agents. Forty per cent of the Cabinet ministers who served in the genocidal regimes of Lucas Garcia, Rios Montt and Mefia Victores in Guatemala are graduates.


15.} In 1993, the UN Truth Commission for El Salvador named the army officers who had committed the worst atrocities of the civil war; two-thirds of them had been trained at Fort Benning. They included Roberto D?Aubisson, the leader of the death squads and the murderers of Archbishop Oscar Romero and a group of Jesuit priests. In Chile, the school?s graduates ran Pinochet?s secret police and three principal concentration camps. In 1996, the US government was forced to release copies of the school?s training manuals. For aspiring terrorists, these recommended blackmail, torture, execution and the arrest of witnesses? relatives.?


16.) American military in Iraq plant car bombs on unwitting Iraqi civilians. See: Sick Strategies For Senseless Slaughter by John Kaminski


Conclusion:


I have come to understand this form of government we endure is a ?plutocracy? (government by the wealthy) who lie, cheat, assassinate, instigate acts of terrorism and then blame scapegoat_nations and support/fund terrorist regimes and dictatorships as long as their dictators dance to their corporate tune.


It does not take an entire government to be involved in instigating acts of terrorism any more than, say, it does not take all the bank employees to know what the head bank manager is planning in his board meetings. That is why FBI, CIA, and firemen who blow the whistle on head office wrongdoing?are muzzled, threatened, fired, demoted, ignored and harassed purposely. I am saying that when someone sincere and with integrity comes across evidence which shows possible corruption by head office, part of the cover-up is to discredit these individuals.


It is time to seriously share this vital information?in hopes that an informed public might just refrain from rallying to the war cries of the weapons/military/industrial complex. See source
 
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I'm glad to see that the people who buy everything a "GOP Led" government feeds them, so long as it justifies their fear.
 
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not buying anything close to what a govt official tells me to believe

but some of these posts are just outrageous..
no al quada
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i always found it quite amazing that more than 1/2 of the population believed in "al qaeda" a group with NO OFFICE, NO PAPERWORK, NO EMPLOYEES, NO PROOF.
this group of bad guys all wears a AQ baseball cap so we know who they are LOL. and they all email information back and forth from their blackberries and iphones.

HAS ANYONE SEEN ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE THAT THIS ORGANIZATION EXISTS? the only thing you can truly find about "al qaeda" other than news propaganda is that it was our name for the database of cia-funded mujahadeen fighters.

but some wish to continue believing in the boogeyman. so i say BOO!
keep hiding under your bed! al qaeda is coming to getcha with their 5'5" 120 lb guys with 1 inch box cutters!
OHHHH NOOOOOOOOO
 
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BANG !!!!! Good Bye World Trade Center on behalf of your friends that do not exist, Al Queaida (sp) !!!!

You people amaze me.


:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO
 

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BANG !!!!! Good Bye World Trade Center on behalf of your friends that do not exist, Al Queaida (sp) !!!!

You people amaze me.


:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO:LMAO

The World Trade Center towers and Building 7 disappeared into their own footprints,in 10 seconds,most likely thanks to controlled demolition.
Lease and insurance policy holder Larry "we're gonna have to pull it" Silverstein probably knows more about how it was done than any "Al Qaeda" member did.
Isn't it hard to keep believing the "offical" conspiracy theory of what went down on 9/11,in the face of so many contradictions,inconsistencies,and the tortured logic contained in it?

 
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Nic, KT, and anyone else...

Please explain to me why it is so difficult for you to believe that "Al Qaeda" isn't something created by our own CIA?
 
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Nic, KT, and anyone else...

Please explain to me why it is so difficult for you to believe that "Al Qaeda" isn't something created by our own CIA?
I expect you will get no reply with any type of credible evidence to support it (with regards to the existence of "Al Qaeda") , seeing as how no credible evidence exist, unless you believe what BigBrother tells you, and BigBrother has a long history of lies, half truths and deceptions.
 
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why is it that the people we accuse of being al qaeda don't deny that they are, or what they have done?
 
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why is it that the people we accuse of being al qaeda don't deny that they are, or what they have done?
Exactly what people are you asking about?

When perpetuating a lie or falsehood, lack of eye witnesses and/or their testimony is always an asset.
 
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lets start with al qaeda #1 and # 2. are they cia agents? they have never denied being al qaeda.
 
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Although bin Laden has not been indicted<SUP class=reference id=_ref-4>[5]</SUP> for the September 11, 2001 attacks, he has claimed responsibility for them<SUP class=reference id=_ref-5>[6]</SUP> in videos released to the public.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-cbc-2004_0>[7]</SUP> The attacks involved the hijacking of United Airlines Flight 93, United Airlines Flight 175, American Airlines Flight 11, American Airlines Flight 77, and the subsequent destruction of the World Trade Center in New York City, New York, and severe damage to The Pentagon in Arlington, Virginia,<SUP class=reference id=_ref-6>[8]</SUP> along with the deaths of 2,974 victims.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-7>[9]</SUP>
 
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why is it that the people we accuse of being al qaeda don't deny that they are, or what they have done?
Great question. The obvious question gets asked !!!!

There are some stupid people on this board that really enjoy stirring up some shit based on pure speculation and conjecture without facts. Kinda like that idiot Al Gore and his man made global warming bull shit.
 

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why is it that the people we accuse of being al qaeda don't deny that they are, or what they have done?
lets start with al qaeda #1 and # 2. are they cia agents? they have never denied being al qaeda.
Although bin Laden has not been indicted<SUP class=reference id=_ref-4>[5]</SUP> for the September 11, 2001 attacks, he has claimed responsibility for them<SUP class=reference id=_ref-5>[6]</SUP> in videos released to the public.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-cbc-2004_0>[7]</SUP> The attacks involved the hijacking of United Airlines Flight 93, United Airlines Flight 175, American Airlines Flight 11, American Airlines Flight 77, and the subsequent destruction of the World Trade Center in New York City, New York, and severe damage to The Pentagon in Arlington, Virginia,<SUP class=reference id=_ref-6>[8]</SUP> along with the deaths of 2,974 victims.<SUP class=reference id=_ref-7>[9]</SUP>
Are so called "Al Qaeda" prisoners routinely interviewed on the news?No, as soon as an alleged terrorist is captured ,they are spirited away to one of the black holes the US maintains worldwide.Who's going to believe what someone accused of terrorism says anyway,so the story is whatever "officials" feed to the media.Most "evidence" in cases before miltary tribunals is acquired through torture,have there been any major terror trials with due process in US courts?

Who's Al Qaeda #1+2,if Osama's #1 yes he was a CIA agent,he wouldn't deny being Al Qaeda since it was a program he went along with at the time the concept was created by the CIA.As for OBL videos they are most likely produced as needed these days since OBL is no longer with us in the physical world.Do you believe what you see on TV and the movies is real?
The virtual OBL is versatile he can say anything,never has to be captured,and is an immortal mythic figure
.

"Al Qaeda" is a convenient label that's applied when necessary,not an organization with members and facilities,but an intelligence agency construct.
 

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Al Qaeda couldn't be a CIA creation?The CIA has a long history of using front groups to achieve US objectives around the world,as a new book "The Mighty Wurlitzer"details,here's a review:

What Gloria Steinem, Henry Kissinger Have in Common: CIA Pay

Review by Charles Trueheart



Feb. 22,2008 (Bloomberg) -- The front organization was one of the earliest and most trusted weapons in the psychological Cold War between the U.S. and the Soviet Union.

These seemingly independent and high-minded anticommunist entities were often created or co-opted by the bright young spies who became the founding fathers of the Central Intelligence Agency. Together, the groups formed what one U.S. agent called a "Mighty Wurlitzer,'' an organ for playing variations on an anticommunist fugue.

Hugh Wilford takes that phrase as the title for his superb new account of the underground combat in ideas and checkbooks that unfolded in the 1950s and early '60s. In ``The Mighty Wurlitzer: How the CIA Played America,'' he explains that the U.S., in bankrolling front groups, was tacitly emulating a Soviet technique for manipulating elite and popular opinion.

Aiming to thwart the appeal of communism, the CIA and its forerunners co-opted labor unions, magazines and universities. They created scores of bogus committees and phony associations -- groups of Soviet-bloc emigres, artists and intellectuals, students, blacks and women.

The galaxy of early Cold War front organizations is studded with acronyms, conferences, disputes, conspiracy, lore and still- classified information. Wilford heroically resists getting bogged down in marginalia, keeping his narrative at a relatively high altitude over the voluminous material.

Kissinger Lures Emigres
He enlivens every chapter with sketches of larger-than-life figures: Frank Wisner, for example, was the half-mad genius who coined the Wurlitzer image; he devised elaborate subterfuges to champion freedom. Henry Kissinger, for his part, lured young emigres to Harvard seminars with government funds, Wilford says.

What of the patriotic volunteers? Gloria Steinem, the future feminist, has acknowledged that she worked for a CIA front, the amusingly named Independent Service for Information, whose purpose was to undermine a Soviet-bloc youth festival in Vienna. Tom Dooley, the celebrated humanitarian doctor in 1950s Vietnam, had no issues with his CIA cash, Wilford reports.
Neither did Eugene Groves, the president of the National Student Association -- until he finally decided the organization could no longer live a lie. The outing of that program by Ramparts magazine and its crusading editor, Warren Hinkle, exposed a spectrum of suspected front organizations, embarrassed the U.S. government and blemished the CIA for a generation.

Not Ignoble?
One important insight Wilford brings to this history is that it wasn't necessarily ignoble to promote American values in the face of a menacing communist alternative in those two decades.

``The alliance between Cold War anticommunism and liberal idealism still appeared natural and right,'' writes Wilford, a British-born historian at California State University, Long Beach.

He also recounts cases where fronts were as opportunistic as their masters, taking CIA money and continuing to say and do as they pleased. Civil-rights leader James Farmer, for example, used a high-profile trip to Africa to criticize the U.S. government, even though he later voiced suspicions that the travel was funded by CIA largesse, Wilford writes.

The Committee of Correspondence, a CIA-whelped anticommunist group of letter-writing women, adopted as its slogan Jesus' promise from the book of John, ``The truth shall make you free.'' The CIA later engraved these words on a wall at headquarters.

``Considering what some of these people were doing, that phrase was really chutzpah,'' a committee veteran later remarked.

Neither the CIA nor their witting fronts had the wit to see that the arrangement corrupted the very American values of truth and freedom that they were promoting.

Collateral Damage
Hypocrisy aside, the damage wasn't just to those exposed as front organizations and to the agency responsible, as Wilford reminds us. It was to all the other organizations that are truly independent and reflected genuine engagement and opinion. To this day, NGOs, charities and media organizations struggle to maintain their credibility as neutral actors against suspicions of collusion first planted in the days of the Mighty Wurlitzer.

``The Mighty Wurlitzer'' is published by Harvard University Press (342 pages, $27.95).
(Charles Trueheart, the director of the American Library in Paris, is a critic for Bloomberg News. The opinions expressed are his own.)
To contact the writer of this review: Charles Trueheart at charlestrueheart@yahoo.com.
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"al qaeda" have ALWAYS denied being al qaeda.
#1 bin laden denied involvement in 9/11 immediately and STILL isn't a suspect. fbi.gov
and yes "tim osman" aka "bin laden" is a documented cia agent that routinely inspected our weapons facilities.

and chartered a plane for his family out of the u.s. on 9/11 while other planes were grounded. but those official documents must be lies because fox news didn't say it huh?

bang there went the wtc EXACTLY. the 2 outdated, technologically terrible buildings with asbestos that had to be demolished anyway. and why not take the rest of silverstein's buildings with them (ALL 7!) while hardly touching anything else.
maybe look up why lucky larry didn't make his appointment on the morning of 9/11 but let his business colleagues die? oh wait, his son and daughter were each separately running late and didn't make the meeting either. what a coincidence. the "most important" meeting of the day and successful businesspeople like the silversteins just happen to all miss it.
you think donald trump/larry silverstein/etc would ever miss an important business meeting? unless he knew the building it was in was getting demolished don't count on it.
 

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There are ways of influencing public opinion,to get people to believe things happened a certain way,and to steer their views of the future as these excerpts from Is the CIA?s ?Mighty Wurlitzer? Playing Geraldo Rivera? describe:


Kurt Nimmo
Infowars
Saturday, March 15, 2008

Back in 2006, we learned that the Pentagon established ?a new unit to better promote its message across 24-hour rolling news outlets,? according to the BBC. Nominally we were told this special unit was designed to counter news the neocons did not agree with in regard to the Iraq occupation.

However, the Pentagon is most certainly interested in spin when it comes to other news as well. In 2002, for instance, the Pentagon toyed ?with the idea of black propaganda? [as] part of George Bush?s war on terrorism,? writes Tom Carver, Washington correspondent for the BBC. ?A new department has been set up inside the Pentagon with the Orwellian title of the Office of Strategic Influence. It is well funded, is being run by a general and its aim is to influence public opinion abroad.? Considering the track record of the Pentagon, it should be assumed the primary target of this propaganda is not abroad, but right here at home. Ditto the CIA.

In 2000, before ?everything changed,? or had an excuse to change, Dutch and French newspapers revealed that several officers from the 4th PSYOPS Group had worked in the news division at CNN?s Atlanta headquarters as part of an ?internship? program starting in the final days of the Kosovo War. ?It?s worth noting that the 4th PSYOPS group is the same group that staffed the National Security Council?s now notorious Office of Public Diplomacy (OPD), which planted stories in the U.S. media supporting the Reagan Administration?s Central America policies during the 1980s. Described by a senior U.S. official as a ?vast psychological warfare operation of the kind the military conducts to influence a population in enemy territory? (Miami Herald, 7/19/87), the OPD was shut down after the Iran-Contra investigations, but not before influencing coverage in major outlets including the Wall Street Journal, New York Times and Washington Post,? FAIR wrote in 2002 as word of the Office of Strategic Influence made a minor bump in the media.

It is, to say the least, stretching credulity to believe the Pentagon closed down such a valuable operation simply because a few Congress critters were upset about CIA drug running and arming of the Contra mercenary army. Intel ops are not shut down, they simply change their names and continue working. It is foolish to believe otherwise.

Naturally, all of this is simply an additional layer slapped over an older, more entrenched operation. In the late 40s, as the so-called ?Cold War? was beginning to pick up momentum,the CIA launched Operation Mockingbird , a rather successful effort to control the corporate media. Its existence was made public during the Church Committee Iran Contra investigation in 1975.

?The CIA currently maintains a network of several hundred foreign individuals around the world who provide intelligence for the CIA and at times attempt to influence opinion through the use of covert propaganda,? a report to Congress stated. ?These individuals provide the CIA with direct access to a large number of newspapers and periodicals, scores of press services and news agencies, radio and television stations, commercial book publishers, and other foreign media outlets.?

In fact, the CIA and Pentagon intelligence had a name for this ? control of the media was called the ?Mighty Wurlitzer,? and as we know a Wurlitzer a device that uses a central console to synchronize the playing of music by various instruments around a room.

It would be downright foolish to believe this operation is no longer in existence, as the CIA is not in the business of chucking highly successful operations. It is fair to assume the Pentagon and the CIA are burrowed deeply inside newsrooms around the country, especially the higher echelon corporate newsrooms at Faux, CNN, MSNBC, etc.
 
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I would have to agree with the above article for the most part, there can be no doubt that the FEDGOV works closely with the mainstream media in America, every effort is made to get the "right stories" out to the public and every effort is made to hide negative ones.
 

scrimmage

What you contemplate you imitate
#28
Re: Top Ranking CIA Operatives Admit Al-qaeda Is a Complete Fabrication

mike, see post 19
Roscoe,see posts #1,2,3,6,7,9,11,12,13,14,15,17,22,23,24,26,27,and this one 28,plus the links to "Additional resources" at the bottom.
All of it adds up to a lot of information,on any questions regarding Al Qaeda,bin Laden,The CIA,and the connections/relationships between them and other parties.

Excerpts from:
The Existentialist Cowboy: John McCain: From Politician to Party Whore

--McCain says al Qaeda might try to tip US election
McCain surely hopes you are as stupid as the GOP rank and file who, apparently, never figured out that whenever Bush was in trouble, Bin Laden released another tape as if on cue. Clue: it was! Al Qaeda was, in fact created by the CIA. It's alleged leader, Bin Laden, worked with US intelligence throughout the '70s and '80s; he was visited by American 'spooks' as he received dialysis in Dubai, just months before 911.

According to Richard Clark, Al Qaeda, a creation of the CIA [See also: Disinformation: CIA Posing as Al-Qaeda?; Al-Qaeda: A CIA prot?g?], was created for the purpose of enabling the House of Saud to bankroll Osama bin Laden during the Afghan war against the Soviet Union. Throughout this 1980s war, Washington and Riyadh funneled some $3.5 billion to the mujahideen.


Bin Laden became a US patsy when it was clear that he was much more valuable as a bogeyman around which a crooked and illegitimate Bush regime would create 'al Qaeda' --an evil terrorist "Spectre" which could be conveniently blamed for Bush's every red herring, his every pretext for wars of naked aggression against oil producing countries --notably Iraq.



Is McCain naive or complicit? Both! McCain is naive for falling for the GOP line of bullshit. He is complicit because, like Faust, he sold his soul if he ever had one. Even America's ABC News was 'suspicious' of Bin Laden's lack of substance but, most significantly, the political timing from which only Bush benefited.
Osama bin Laden's latest message is a hodgepodge of anti-capitalist vitriol, impassioned Islamic evangelism and what can best be described as a twisted attempt at reconciliation: Join us, or we'll kill you.​

Analysts say the video that came out days before the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks is more about timing than substance, an attempt by history's most wanted fugitive to thumb his nose at the forces arrayed against him and remind the world that he hasn't been caught. --ABC News

Even ABC reported in 2007 that Bin Laden's beard looked phony but never bothered to ask why! Simple explanation: both Bin and the beard were phony. As Benazir Bhutto told the BBC before she would be gunned down in the streets of Karachi --Bin Laden had been murdered. Most, if not all, Bin Laden tapes were therefore faked, perhaps produced and directed by the CIA. The record will prove conclusively that whenever Bush was in trouble, Bin Laden could be counted on to release another production.​

Additional resources :​
 
#29
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Good stuff Scrim, very informative, I like to think I'm in the loop most of the time, but some of the articles you post contain lots of info new to me, keep it coming, thanks.
 

scrimmage

What you contemplate you imitate
#30
Re: Top Ranking CIA Operatives Admit Al-qaeda Is a Complete Fabrication

After 9/11 it was the term "the terrorists" which was bandied about,but now "Al Qaeda" are the catch-all fear invoking words,and John McCain knows enough to use AQ frequently since it stymies any debate or disagreement with US poicy.
Creating fear by constantly invoking "Al Qaeda" is the game plan for justifying all the new infringements on privacy and civil liberties which provide a hazy,dubious promise of safety and security.


What about the occasional Osama video messages,don't they prove a threat is really there?Well take a look at the picture,is it for real?;the same thing can be done in the virtual Osama media releases.
[SIZE=+1]March 21, 2008[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+2]Slip or Tactic?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+2]McCain's Al Qaeda Scare[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+2]By JACOB HORNBERGER[/SIZE]


[SIZE=+3]D[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]uring his recent trip to Iraq, Republican presidential candidate John McCain proclaimed,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]"Well, it's common knowledge and has been reported in the media that Al Qaeda is going back into Iran and receiving training and are coming back into Iraq from Iran. That's well known. And it's unfortunate."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]According to the New York Times, Senator Joseph Lieberman, who was traveling with McCain, whispered in his ear that such was highly unlikely since Iran is a Shiite country and al-Qaeda is a Sunni group.[/SIZE]
Lieber-man Love​
[SIZE=-1]That caused McCain to issue an embarrassing apology and correction: "I'm sorry, the Iranians are training extremists, not Al Qaeda."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]Why would McCain be eager to bring up al-Qaeda in the context of Iraq, a country that the U.S. government invaded in a war of aggression, as well as Iran, a country that U.S. officials are still contemplating attacking?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]The reason is that McCain is not a dumb politician. Like both President Bush and Vice-President Cheney, he knows the visceral and emotional reaction he is able to arouse within many Americans the minute they hear the words "Al-Qaeda," words that McCain knows immediately tend to short-circuit any reasonable and rationale thinking.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]We witnessed this phenomenon with respect to two other words soon after 9/11. What were those two words? "The terrorists." U.S. officials soon discovered that whenever they emitted those two words--"the terrorists"--the knees of many American men (and women) would immediately begin quivering and quaking, ending any chance of reasoned, rational thinking. Hearing any mention of "the terrorists," people's minds would immediately be filled with catastrophic thoughts in which the terrorists were going to invade and conquer America, taking over the IRS and the public schools.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]This is, of course, how we got such things as the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, the NSA spying, Gitmo, torture, kidnapping, rendition, cancellation of habeas corpus, and all the rest of the infringements on privacy and civil liberties. U.S. officials had been trying for years to achieve expanded powers, usually under the guise of the war on drugs, but had had difficulty doing so. Periodic usage of those two words--"the terrorists"--after 9/11 disintegrated potential opposition to the assumption and exercise of such powers.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]This phenomenon is not significantly different with respect to the term "al Qaeda," which is why U.S. officials have come to adopting it when referring to the death, destruction, and suffering in Iraq. In order to salve the consciences of Americans who might be struggling with the fact that their government has killed and maimed countless Iraqis in a war of aggresssion, U.S. officials have learned that the best thing to do is simply use the term "al Qaeda" in response to reports of deaths or suffering in Iraq.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]The idea is that by employing the term "al Qaeda," the minds of Americans will immediately be shifted to the 9/11 attacks and will subconsciously associate those attacks with killings in Iraq, enabling people to convince themselves that the death and destruction in Iraq is all because of "al Qaeda."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]That's undoubtedly why Vice President Cheney has been doing everything he can to cause people to think that there was a partnership between al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein. By convincing Americans that such a connection existed, Americans wouldn't have to feel bad about all the Iraqis killed and maimed during the invasion and occupation. As CNN reported on June 18, 2004, Cheney claimed that the evidence is "overwhelming" that al-Qaeda had a relationship with Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq. "There clearly was a relationship. It's been testified to. The evidence is overwhelming," Cheney said.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]Alas, along comes an exhaustive Pentagon study released last week that involved a careful review of 600,000 Iraqi documents captured after the invasion. And guess what! The Pentagon study found no link between Saddam Hussein, Iraq, and al Qaeda.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]Of course, even that report is unlikely to discourage U.S. officials from employing "al Qaeda" whenever new deaths are reported in Iraq. They know how powerful the term is within the minds of the American people. For example, just last March, in response to the deaths of 23 people from bombs and shootings, a U.S. military official exclaimed, "Coalition forces believe Al-Qaeda is responsible for these murders."[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]Are there, in fact, members of Al Qaeda in Iraq? Undoubtedly, along with many other foreigners who have come to the defense and aid of the Iraqi insurgents, just as U.S. officials, Osama bin Laden, and other foreigners came to the defense of Afghani insurgents after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]In fact, one of the groups of Iraqi insurgents that has arisen after the U.S. invasion of Iraq is entitled "Al Qaeda in Iraq," which U.S. officials use to maximum propaganda effect in the hopes that their invasion of a country that never attacked the United States could become justified in the minds of the American people.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]So, in applying the term "Al Qaeda" to Iran, McCain was doing nothing more than what U.S. officials have been doing for years with respect to Iraq. He just got caught in a flagrant misuse of the term, causing him to have to apologize and retract what he had said.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]Jacob Hornberger[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] is founder and president of The Future of Freedom Foundation.[/SIZE]
link:
Jacob Hornberger: McCain's Al Qaeda Scare
 
#31
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was sent here from a poster on this site after being booted for causing a ruckus at another site by starting a post on 9/11 that had over 32K hits ...

anyhow, love SCRIMMAGE and other posts on here ... its obvious there are people who are open minded in life, and others that believe anything OUR GOV. OR HISTORY BOOKS JAM DOWN THEIR THROAT...

im the type that delves deeply into things before taking a stance ... i have started a 3-HOUR screenplay that is near complettion on 9/11 that under current conditions would never be made in Hollywood ... they only want the flight 93 lies and NCages wtc fluff ...

someday maybe the truth, other than small time NET docs, will make it up on the big screen ... until then CNN, TIME MAG, MAJOR USA NEWSPAPERS, etc will not touch it and other obvious items ... the bhutto deal is perfect case in point, here the woman says, "OBL was murdered" and David Frost doesnt offer a follow up, or even blink. Now c'mon, how absurd is that? obl had a 25 million bounty, USA ostensibly hunted him from tora bora to the backstreets of nowheresville and now the USA media utters not peep one on an assassinated world figure's comment on him? then she is killed a short time later :+clueless ...

anyhow, i digress ... PEOPLE NEED TO WATCH THIS IF YOU HAVEN'T: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5547481422995115331&q=ZEITGEIST&total=4177&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

this is great for rookie or vet, shows how brainwashing from the get go about the biggest hoax ever and then goes onto to other venues, etc ...

try this short one ... if you are unacquainted with the story, again, dont expect the major media, WASHINGTON POST, NEW YORK TIMES, etc to make a big deal out of the now admitted murder, even LBJ fessed up on things on his death bed ...USS Liberty EXPOSED

i have much more to share... dont need people bashing me, just stay on the subject of what you dont believe ... after being booted from the last site for standing up to firstblood drawing sheeple, i wont be drawn into any ad hominems bc they dont alter fact, just shows who has run out of ideas and logic first...

hope everyone had a great easter,
DimeDR :)
 
#33
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it certainly is agent, my good man ...:party


found this late tonight, loved it ... the god thing at end was not necessary but theres a ton of good things inside and lotsa fun ....

The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it. --morpheus from the matrix--

PAC ? Deprogramming Sequence ? Monday : March : 24 : 2008 : : 2:11:30 AM

click there and poke around :houra
 
#35
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thanks general, have a great week, yourself :)


now for today, i know many of you have studied up on flight 93, the faked Beamer phone calls, the shill lisa jefferson fielding his "cell phone call" of 15+ minutes, the fact he never said LETS ROLL, yet todd's wife, another lisa, was given the trademark rights to it by the neocons, anyhow, i will delve into that rabbit hole later ...

today id like you guys to listen to the passenger lists on flight 77 ... it amazes me its ok for these manifests not to have contained a single terrorist's name until long after the perps who hoisted this murdering plot, and it wasnt OBL or 19 boxcutters im talking about, had time to go back and dot their Is or whatver illuminati shell games they were deploying ... also, why cant the airport security cameras and the pentagon cameras ever be released? they waste every boobs time with their pathetic 5 still frames, and yet we see the supposed flights of 11 and 175 strike the wtcs until our eyes turn away? why cant the penta-CON films be seen by the public--i think you guys know why? ... or is a large GENII popping out a rumsfeld rubbed bottle? ... its ludicrous ...


anyhow, go to this site and them click the first and 2nd hour of michael herzogs rundown on the manifests, very intriguging and well researched, he has lots on babs olson too ... listen to hour 1 and 2 and get some new info and your eyes opened to the truth even further


TUESDAY, MARCH 11, 2008
MP3 Files:</B> Hour 1, Hour 2
Playlist Files: PLS M3U

Flight to the Twilight Zone : Barbara Olson, Ted Olson...The Clintons & Flight 77


have a great day
dimeDR :)
 
#37
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regarding what, roscoe ... i mean if you want me to break down 9/11 to the best of my knowledge i could talk for 10 hours ... not trying to be a wise guy but if you are more specific i would be glad to comment ... :)
 

scrimmage

What you contemplate you imitate
#38
Re: Top Ranking CIA Operatives Admit Al-qaeda Is a Complete Fabrication

mr dime, what really did happen?
regarding what, roscoe ... i mean if you want me to break down 9/11 to the best of my knowledge i could talk for 10 hours ... not trying to be a wise guy but if you are more specific i would be glad to comment ... :)

Welcome to the discussion,DimeDR,and Agent 0659[what agency do you work for?,LOL].
For some back story,here's a lead,
check out this EOG thread titled 911 Question!!What Do You All Think!!,for some of the views on the topic around here,and add to it if you like:

http://forums.eog.com/online-sports...ssion/911-question-what-do-you-all-96851.html
 
#39
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if anyone hasnt read the pnac charter, then they are starting a jigsaw puzzle without a border ... who had means and who benefitted--boxcutters that trained at usa military instillations or dancing israelis? ... false flags have manifested that you could set an egg timer to, ala the maine, uss liberty, tonkin, gladio, ajax, panama deception, pearl harbor, etc etc ... i have talked to many many people who have studied this much longer than i, and there isnt a thing about the official story that they or i swallow ... vigilant guardian, hmmmm, war games in london on the 7/7 bombings and RUDY G is shopping for a pump dress and heels at piccadilly square ... OKC and WACO both tipoff on april 19th?? ... bush keeps reading pet the goat when any SS agent woulda whisked him out on protocol and not endangered him or the kids after the 2nd wtc was hit ... hani hanjour becomes buck rogers and like hansel and gretel makes it back from KY without breadcrumbs ... 77 cameras at the pentagon and no Kodachrome loaded ... dna located from all dead passengers at shanksville and flight 77 yet both planes vaporized ... eeeeeecccccctttt!:LMAO:houra
 
#40
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Welcome to the discussion,DimeDR,and Agent 0659[what agency do you work for?,LOL].
Thank you Scrimmage! I hope to contribute much, and I KNOW Dime Dr. will!!!

But he wouldn't BE the Dime Dr. if I wasn't such a good finisher...:houra
 
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