Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

[JerseyShop101]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

JK,
I'm actually suprised there aren't at least 20 ghosts signed up to vote for the "Yes" by now. :+textinb3

Just wanted to give credit here to a great post that 99problems posted the other day, along with Heim's response. I feel these are the type of posts that this forum is all about:

Spurs now getting 7.5 points in San Antonio, playing the Heat who are coming off a hard played game in Kansas City last night. What would they make this line WITH Wade? Expect to see LeBron and Bosh play less minutes tonight which leaves some serious scrubs possibly getting PT for MIA.

ML +260 and up as well

With back-to-back games -- especially after watching Wade go down with the hamstring injury -- chances of key players playing significant minutes in back-to-back games are quite miniscule.

I think it's a good bet.

​

San Antonio cruised easily in the 2nd half winning outright 90-73.

We all should just focus on helping each other win and succeed.

:cheers

 

[John Kelly]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

JK,
I'm actually suprised there aren't at least 20 ghosts signed up to vote for the "Yes" by now. :+textinb3

Just wanted to give credit here to a great post that 99problems posted the other day, along with Heim's response. I feel these are the type of posts that this forum is all about:





San Antonio cruised easily in the 2nd half winning outright 90-73.

We all should just focus on helping each other win and succeed.

:cheers

I love the idea of collective wisdom. :cheers

 

[rainbow]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

There are no paid posters here....Rainbow works for a major sportsbook...

I wouldn't put up with any employees talking back at posters the way Rainbow does...but that is just his style...

That is 100% my style, I don't like people walking over me... my Mother died in 1989, and my Dad died in 1995, they are no longer here...........

 

[Chessman]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

economy. people cant afford internet.

True. Obama's economy is terrible but the last thing people will save on is something like the internet or cell phones.. I see all kinds of broke idiots yapping on their cell phones all day long.

 

[Ace]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

I think Jk has done a fantastic job here. I would log on here and find numerous threads about bullshit, i know ken loved that stuff but it was very childish-----keep up the good work john

 

[RealSlimShady]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

Still too early to come to a conclusion on this.

 

[Scotty S]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

JK is a standup guy. He can hold my BR anytime.

Since JK took over there is less nonsense here.

I'm in John...

 

[Doughy]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

The poll results speak for themselves on this issue.

 

[RogueScholar]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

A Rogue Scholar post coming in 3,2,1...

Sorry John, I just don't spend enough time on EOG anymore to hold a serious opinion one way or the other. A lot of shortcomings in EOG have come to light because of this thread, most importantly the gross incompetence in the server management, and I think that's been a good thing for the site, provided you ever stop talking about fixing things and start doing something. I think Munson had some keen insights to offer about the nature of the transition here, and I concur that you really had to completely change the format of this forum if you were to have any success at managing it and being relevant as its figurehead. It seems natural to me that some of us old-timers who enjoyed the forums for entertainment and recreation above information sharing won't find a place in your new system, and while that's lamentable, only time will tell if it's a profitable paradigm shift. Personally I don't think it is, but then I'm not privy to the goals of the ownership for this forum/brand and I won't speculate on something of which I have no knowledge.

The comment about pettiness rang true with me, as I think I lost interest in this place when you completely fumbled the Kristin Davis article and turned good publicity into bad with your shallow approach to the official EOG response. It's obvious you're a fine gambler but not much of a leader, and in my opinion the owners were wise to add Viejo to the leadership team to shore up those deficiencies in the presence of authority on the forum. The current vibe does seem to be positive and intelligent, but it remains to be seen whether it will ever reach critical mass and have enough posting volume to make EOG more than a place I stop by once a day to read the two threads which occur here daily which actually have a vibrant and lively discussion taking place. I wish you the best in that, but based on my own experiences on the forums I find it unlikely. The successful forums are always broadening their scope and increasing their reach, and from day one the John Kelly era at EOG has been about narrowing the appeal, marginalizing the topics you didn't like and weeding out the posters which you found undesirable. You now have created the gated community of forums, and I'll watch with interest to see if you can actually create a healthy and self-sustaining community here with such an insular attitude.

 

[munson15]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

Rogue, even when we disagree on some points, I enjoy reading your posts. The writing is so well tought out and the vocabulary is tremendously broad. If you are not writing professionally, it is a waste of talent.:cheers

 

[Tim Patterson]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

John has been a great addition to this site.

 

[John Kelly]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

Sorry John, I just don't spend enough time on EOG anymore to hold a serious opinion one way or the other. A lot of shortcomings in EOG have come to light because of this thread, most importantly the gross incompetence in the server management, and I think that's been a good thing for the site, provided you ever stop talking about fixing things and start doing something. I think Munson had some keen insights to offer about the nature of the transition here, and I concur that you really had to completely change the format of this forum if you were to have any success at managing it and being relevant as its figurehead. It seems natural to me that some of us old-timers who enjoyed the forums for entertainment and recreation above information sharing won't find a place in your new system, and while that's lamentable, only time will tell if it's a profitable paradigm shift. Personally I don't think it is, but then I'm not privy to the goals of the ownership for this forum/brand and I won't speculate on something of which I have no knowledge.

The comment about pettiness rang true with me, as I think I lost interest in this place when you completely fumbled the Kristin Davis article and turned good publicity into bad with your shallow approach to the official EOG response. It's obvious you're a fine gambler but not much of a leader, and in my opinion the owners were wise to add Viejo to the leadership team to shore up those deficiencies in the presence of authority on the forum. The current vibe does seem to be positive and intelligent, but it remains to be seen whether it will ever reach critical mass and have enough posting volume to make EOG more than a place I stop by once a day to read the two threads which occur here daily which actually have a vibrant and lively discussion taking place. I wish you the best in that, but based on my own experiences on the forums I find it unlikely. The successful forums are always broadening their scope and increasing their reach, and from day one the John Kelly era at EOG has been about narrowing the appeal, marginalizing the topics you didn't like and weeding out the posters which you found undesirable. You now have created the gated community of forums, and I'll watch with interest to see if you can actually create a healthy and self-sustaining community here with such an insular attitude.

Exclusion is not my goal, Roguey. Gambling is our common bond and I feel it should be the first word and the last word here at EOG, but I love discussions on other topics.

As for weeding out posters, anyone who knows me will tell you I believe everyone is someone. Like my teammate Viejo Dinosaur, I treat everybody with respect, save for my poor choice a few months ago in a thread title you won't let me forget.

My goal is to promote EOG's collective wisdom. I would love to match EOG's collective IQ against other sites a year from now.

As for now, I want you to feel you're welcome in our community so I left your name at the gate.

 

[2W2P2S]

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only time will tell if it's a profitable paradigm shift. Personally I don't think it is, but then I'm not privy to the goals of the ownership for this forum/brand and I won't speculate on something of which I have no knowledge.

Let me help you with this:

only time will tell if it's a profitable paradigm shift. I'm not privy to the goals of the ownership for this forum/brand and I won't speculate on something of which I have no knowledge.

 

[RogueScholar]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

Rogue, even when we disagree on some points, I enjoy reading your posts. The writing is so well tought out and the vocabulary is tremendously broad. If you are not writing professionally, it is a waste of talent.:cheers

Thanks Munson, that really means a lot to me, especially since English wasn't my first language but has since become so. Hopefully one day I'll find a way to make a living at it, since it really is one of my favorite activities along with the piano. It's certainly a conundrum that has come to represent the establishment of my adulthood as I approach age 30, the fact that I can make more money doing something which isn't a passion of mine and that I've chosen money over fulfillment thus far. As the competitiveness and greed of my youth is replaced with the realization that money and glory truly are fleeting, I sense that I will have to reorganize my priorities to get by with less income and more daily satisfaction.

Likewise Munson, I find your posts very insightful and almost always come away from them with a wider perspective than when I started. I appreciate the fact that you can always be trusted to offer an impartial opinion even when the issue at hand is extremely political.

 

[John Kelly]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

John has been a great addition to this site.

TP, your baseball handicapping and your pleasant personality have made my job a lot easier. We need more Timmays.

 

[John Kelly]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

JK is a standup guy. He can hold my BR anytime.

Since JK took over there is less nonsense here.

I'm in John...

Scotty, your post means a lot to me. Thanks for your trust.

 

[John Kelly]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

Boarding a plane right now. I'll be back later tonight.

 

[RogueScholar]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

Exclusion is not my goal, Roguey. Gambling is our common bond and I feel it should be the first word and the last word and the overriding theme here at EOG, but I love discussions on other topics.

I respect your right to feel that way, but I hope that you come to realize such a single-minded focus is exclusive by nature. EOG does have gambling as its theme and we hope to attract other gamblers to this site to post with us and support the sponsors (provided you choose them well), but any healthy community is not so much a statement of purpose as an amalgamation of the individuals which comprise it. Human society in any age promotes membership in a variety of voluntary associations, from sewing circles to mutual aid societies to gambling forums, and while all the groups form around a common interest, each one quickly becomes a reflection not of the "overriding theme" but of the unique individuals who come together around it.

To labor so diligently to steer all discussions towards gambling from the first word to the last word is to disrespect the organic process which is the evolution of a virtual coffee shop like the "G". You've entered threads numerous times in your tenure here with condescending and dismissive comments about how you're too busy gambling to care about threads which don't actively address your preferred subjects, and it's that behavior which I think has turned me off the most. A true leader doesn't actually provide the vision for his group, he gives each member the framework and encouragement to shape and contribute to the group's vision. You came here with a preformed idea of what you wanted to create here, and while that has won you praise from those who already agreed with you, it left those who had a slightly different vision out in the cold. I don't know on which scales a forum General Manager is judged, but I have to believe that part of it is his/her ability to enjoy the forum for what the posters turn it into and not what he enjoys himself.

As for you treating everyone with respect, I'd have more personal respect for you if you didn't lie right there. You've said in the past that I'm intellectually dishonest, but how is your statement even a tiny bit honest? It was a couple weeks ago that you called me a maggot, and that was just the tip of the iceberg. You disrespected every poster here when you allowed Hoffa to callously and capriciously rebut the article in the Virginian-Pilot on behalf of the EOG collective. You allowed him to make the lot of us sound petty and completely ignorant of the details of the situation. You disrespected every post-up player here when you allowed your staff to promote a sportsbook that was falsifying its credentials and lying about the details of its operation without divulging those very pertinent details, of which Blondie at least admitted she was aware of all along. Before that you had a few thread titles which, you're right, I haven't totally forgotten, because I was truly shocked to see someone present themselves to a new set of people in such an amateurish fashion. You should've just said that you haven't always shown people here the respect they deserve, but this is a new medium for you and the nuances are sometimes elusive to learn except by error. That would be the "intellectually honest" thing to say, don't you think?

Thanks for leaving my name at the gate, we'll see in the coming months if you give me any reason to take advantage of the welcome you claim to extend.

 

[Just a Man]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

WHAT HAPPENED TO BALLWONDER?

WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM?

 

[Just a Man]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

Honestly, we need to get going here. Horse players were carrying this forum all summer long. My daily horse threads were getting over 300 hits daily.

 

[joeybagadonuts]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

WHAT HAPPENED TO BALLWONDER?

WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM?

Look around at the threads, Nap, the guy is a fuckkin STIFF. Solid posts from Rogue.

 

[NES]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

ballwonder = stiff

 

[Almost Allright]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

i actually agree with rouge. this place is starting to get a cliquish feel to it. had it at times under prior regime as well. each time it seems to be 5 6 guys who think their surperior. to good to put plays in appropiate forums, only post among 3 0r 4 other percieved sharps, give vacation updates ad nauseum...the usual look at my pecker stuff.

 

[Tuckman]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

i actually agree with rouge. this place is starting to get a cliquish feel to it. had it at times under prior regime as well. each time it seems to be 5 6 guys who think their surperior. to good to put plays in appropiate forums, only post among 3 0r 4 other percieved sharps, give vacation updates ad nauseum...the usual look at my pecker stuff.

its always gonna be that way when u try to alienate the few people who sit on a pedastile and get constantly pointed out by the higher ups..

 

[munson15]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

Thanks Munson, that really means a lot to me, especially since English wasn't my first language but has since become so. Hopefully one day I'll find a way to make a living at it, since it really is one of my favorite activities along with the piano. It's certainly a conundrum that has come to represent the establishment of my adulthood as I approach age 30, the fact that I can make more money doing something which isn't a passion of mine and that I've chosen money over fulfillment thus far. As the competitiveness and greed of my youth is replaced with the realization that money and glory truly are fleeting, I sense that I will have to reorganize my priorities to get by with less income and more daily satisfaction.

Likewise Munson, I find your posts very insightful and almost always come away from them with a wider perspective than when I started. I appreciate the fact that you can always be trusted to offer an impartial opinion even when the issue at hand is extremely political.

I can tell you from experience that having chosen the path which will better feed my family, I often wonder if I'd be happier and more fulfilled doing something I love. I'm sure you are aware of the old saw that states "a man who loves his job never has to go to work.?" That is probably applicable in your case. Thanks for the kind words.:cheers

 

[raiders72001]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

You mean a long-winded thread that contains a bunch of crap that nobody will read past the first two lines? Who fucking cares really.

you make it to the second line?

 

[tltaylor89]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

Not so much of a fail.

 

[Uncle Butternutts]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

I admittedly don't get over here enough to know much of the details of, well, anything here at EOG...But, just going by the occasional glance over the main forum here, and a few subforums, i honestly think this forum looks about the best i've ever seen it.

Looks like a good mix of friendly banter and sports handicapping info and chatter to me....Not nearly as much clutter as i had seen here in the past....Not knocking anyone, mods or otherwise, just giving an honest opinion...This 'main' forum in particular looks a lot more 'poster friendly' to me now, than it had for the last few years...

I think hiring VD was a great move on EOG's part....I don't really know what his exact responsibilities here are, or even what his job title is, but, regardless, i can't think of many posters, past or present, that i'd rather have as a representative of my website than Viejo Dinosaur....So, thats another recent 'step up' for the forum in general in my opinion.



Again, most of my observations are from a limited vantage point of view, so, take it for what it's worth...

Just thought i'd give my opinion, mostly because it's 6am and i am bored outta my fukin mind..:cheers









Now, on another note....And just out of curiousity.


Where are you getting this 'traffic data' from, Joey?

Please tell me you have a reasonably legit source, and not that idiotic Alexa shit...

Drives me nuts to see otherwise seemingly intelligent people put stock in that absurdly obvious load of shit called 'Alexa'....

It's nothing but a simple-minded marketing gimmick, aimed at simple minded internet users either too lazy to actually think for themselves, or too agenda driven to accept the fact that their 'data' is about as trustworthy as the legendary 'Magic 8-BAll' or Chinese fast food 'Fortune Cookie'.

 

[raiders72001]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

I admittedly don't get over here enough to know much of the details of, well, anything here at EOG...But, just going by the occasional glance over the main forum here, and a few subforums, i honestly think this forum looks about the best i've ever seen it.

Looks like a good mix of friendly banter and sports handicapping info and chatter to me....Not nearly as much clutter as i had seen here in the past....Not knocking anyone, mods or otherwise, just giving an honest opinion...This 'main' forum in particular looks a lot more 'poster friendly' to me now, than it had for the last few years...

I think hiring VD was a great move on EOG's part....I don't really know what his exact responsibilities here are, or even what his job title is, but, regardless, i can't think of many posters, past or present, that i'd rather have as a representative of my website than Viejo Dinosaur....So, thats another recent 'step up' for the forum in general in my opinion.



Again, most of my observations are from a limited vantage point of view, so, take it for what it's worth...

Just thought i'd give my opinion, mostly because it's 6am and i am bored outta my fukin mind..:cheers









Now, on another note....And just out of curiousity.


Where are you getting this 'traffic data' from, Joey?

Please tell me you have a reasonably legit source, and not that idiotic Alexa shit...

Drives me nuts to see otherwise seemingly intelligent people put stock in that absurdly obvious load of shit called 'Alexa'....

It's nothing but a simple-minded marketing gimmick, aimed at simple minded internet users either too lazy to actually think for themselves, or too agenda driven to accept the fact that their 'data' is about as trustworthy as the legendary 'Magic 8-BAll' or Chinese fast food 'Fortune Cookie'.

Alexa is bad. I used every trick in the book to boost my Alexa ratings.

 

[Good grief]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

I feel John has misstepped at times in his first few months as leader of this establishment. But, given the set of circumstances, I can't say I would have handled it any better. He is certainly learning political correctness at a quick pace. He has brought many fine gambling minds to the forum and continues to try to transform this place from a zoo to a legitimate sports gambling forum. Those things take time. The one thing I really like about John is he seems to learn from his mistakes, which speaks volumes to me. We all fuck up, some learn from them, most don't.

Overall I would give him a 8.0. I am deducting a point for some untimely comments/actions, a .5 point for the abysmal server situation, and .5 a point for not moving quicker with Hoffa and Ballwonder.

Other than those correctable shortcomings, John is a fine leader and one I love to interact with here at EOG.


Side note: Though Joey is not an idiot by any stretch, he certainly has a touch of Kenny in him when it comes to the sensationalism and drama. A perfect fit for Capwins but that shit doesn't fly over here anymore. Thankfully.

Lighten up a little Joey, these forums are not life and death. They are just for fun man. Does it really impact your life if JK fucks things up here or not, really?

 

[John Kelly]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

I feel John has misstepped at times in his first few months as leader of this establishment. But, given the set of circumstances, I can't say I would have handled it any better. He is certainly learning political correctness at a quick pace. He has brought many fine gambling minds to the forum and continues to try to transform this place from a zoo to a legitimate sports gambling forum. Those things take time. The one thing I really like about John is he seems to learn from his mistakes, which speaks volumes to me. We all fuck up, some learn from them, most don't.

Overall I would give him a 8.0. I am deducting a point for some untimely comments/actions, a .5 point for the abysmal server situation, and .5 a point for not moving quicker with Hoffa and Ballwonder.

Other than those correctable shortcomings, John is a fine leader and one I love to interact with here at EOG.


Side note: Though Joey is not an idiot by any stretch, he certainly has a touch of Kenny in him when it comes to the sensationalism and drama. A perfect fit for Capwins but that shit doesn't fly over here anymore. Thankfully.

Lighten up a little Joey, these forums are not life and death. They are just for fun man. Does it really impact your life if JK fucks things up here or not, really?

Thanks for the mulligan, Good grief. Eight on a scale of 10 is not my goal, but it is fair grading.

Note: we've hired only "rock stars" since Ken's passing. The Kinger, VD and Iceman have been great additions to the staff. I think we're improving on a daily basis, brick by brick.

 

[BigDaddy]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

No

considering the circumstances he has done a great job in the short amount of time as the GM IMHO

 

[cassiusclay]

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[BADCO]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

The successful forums are always broadening their scope and increasing their reach, and from day one the John Kelly era at EOG has been about narrowing the appeal, marginalizing the topics you didn't like and weeding out the posters which you found undesirable. .

In some what of JK's defense it was not his decision to fire Mo and keep Heffa and Blondie which in turned spawned capwins where many of the undesirables now post.

Romper room is gone and that is a good thing but where did it go?

I do not see us undesirables pissing on each other over at capwins so seems something that ran a course,that and the OGD crowd came in here to bash something that is not happening at Mo's.

As far as sports only talk,all fine and good in the sports forums the offshore is for shooting the shit i.e.therx.

I think the volume is down on all the boards just like when expansion diluted the pitching.

OK I know I will log out now

Party on Garth

 

[Timely Hero]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

Well.....

Since he has been hired what has changed? What has improved? What has been added to help this place? Since he has been added as GM, many people were banned, countless PM's were deleted, the server issues still exist, one of his employees is stiffing people for a lot of $$, talked up a mission statement that ended up being late and wasn't even a mission statement by definition, and the frequent "talk down" attitude still exists. The only good thing he has done is hire Viejo, and that is honestly it.

What insiders has Kelly brought in? What Vegas information has he presented the site? Honestly, what does EOG do any better than it did under the previous regime? The answer to that question, IMO, is nothing so I'm not sure what Kelly does. The amount of posting has reduced, and nothing has been added. I'm sure Blondie is on it though.... :LMAO

 

[Timely Hero]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

How about posters leaving here and starting up with CW? Hell, I even left and went over there because of LightsOut back in August....Most of the posters over there were active members before they decided to leave after Ken's death...

But as JK has stated and that BetPhoenix has posted here, they want quality over quantity if they had to make a choice....Sounds like you have been talking with Meatman...LOL

Don't know what bought this on Joey, but I think we survive, even after what happened to Ballwonder...

That's why you left? Come on boss, we know that's bullshit. You left because most of the people you enjoyed posting with left and went there, and you wanted to join them. We all hated Lights Out, and you did for a while, but you left once everyone you enjoyed posting with left.

 

[munson15]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

Pretty harsh take there, Hero. It could be just an old school/new school issue at hand, but I feel the level of discourse has improved and the content has been cleaned up. That's just coming from an old fart who's been gambling since before ESPN was around, so I know I'm looking at it from a different perspective. You have not only Viejo, Iceman, the Prof, etc., but many posters who were dormant have re-emerged, like Irish Tim and Tim Patterson. I liked Mo and the boys, too, they had a lot of fun, but some people are not into the personal issues that clouded the site at times. I think with Ken's passing, a major change was inevitable, and the ensuing power struggle has already been fought.

 

[Timely Hero]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

Pretty harsh take there, Hero. It could be just an old school/new school issue at hand, but I feel the level of discourse has improved and the content has been cleaned up. That's just coming from an old fart who's been gambling since before ESPN was around, so I know I'm looking at it from a different perspective. You have not only Viejo, Iceman, the Prof, etc., but many posters who were dormant have re-emerged, like Irish Tim and Tim Patterson. I liked Mo and the boys, too, they had a lot of fun, but some people are not into the personal issues that clouded the site at times. I think with Ken's passing, a major change was inevitable, and the ensuing power struggle has already been fought.

Irish Tim is a capwins mainstay and mod. Irish Tim was here when Mo was here, and that's why he went with Mo to the hat so I'm not sure what your point was there.

I don't think it was as harsh as it may have seemed to you, but maybe that is just me. I respect your opinion, but you weren't one of the people that was banned and had over 300 PM's deleted to hide who the moderators at this site really were. Lets be honest Munson, this place has server issues still and we're going on a year now. That would be a like a restaurant losing power once a weekend, at 7 PM, and losing it for the rush every weekend. The simplest thing to do with a site, is keep it running, but they can't even do that. I never bought into the "winning picks" stuff with Kelly and the others because there were plenty of people posting winners here before; they just weren't screaming look at me. Has the drama gone down? Sure, because the content has diminshed, and the site is much slower.

I think a good banter every now and then keeps posters sharp, and keeps you on your toes. It gets boring discussing games, and players, 24/7 and this is coming from someone who only watches sports. Sometimes you gotta have a little fun; JMO.

Once again though, can you answer any of the questions (outside of more winners being posted) that I asked? Honestly what has been added to the site, outside of short term success by certain posters.

 

[RogueScholar]

Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

Let's not forget that John spent months saying that football season would bring with it a whole new EOG with new features and added content. I don't pay attention to Winning Wednesdays anymore, but has it even made it to three shows a week like JK said it would? It's undeniable that so far there have been a lot of empty promises which in most respects is a waste of the "rock star" staff you've acquired. Ideas have been submitted for trivia contests, a chat room, a whole new style of book ratings which use quantifiable values and categories rather than the amorphous and often misleading "Top 10" lists which permeate this place. Not a single one of those has been acted upon or discussed publicly for more than a day, nor has any improvement been made to the servers (on two separate occasions yesterday afternoon EOG was timing out while trying to load a thread), and the blame for all of that non-action has to be laid at John's feet, because he's the one who promised something different.

New people have been hired, new books have been added up top, but still nothing tangible exists to prove he's doing anything more than what he started out doing: a weekly radio show and biweekly blog. He's certainly cajoled every gambler with whom he enjoys a professional relationship to come here and post, but how long can that be expected to last? Long-term improvements to a forum come from giving new visitors more reasons to join and participate, not by asking everyone you know to post a couple times a week. We still have amateur writers like Hoffa contributing pieces to the front page which make us all look mildly retarded, and the overall layout of the site still resembles a college student's spare-time project from 2002. In short, it doesn't matter a bit how good the people you hire are if you can't provide them a vision to execute and a budget which provides for creating a site which is truly competitive in this new decade. More troubling than anything, is the way John only responds to the people who praise him and the fact that even the ideas and suggestions he receives which are deemed good never get acted upon. Hiring good people is easy, effectively utilizing their talents and strengths is a far more difficult task, and you need a true leader to get anywhere near that level of performance.

 

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Re: Has JK been a failure as GM or whatever he calls himself of EOG?

Pretty harsh take there, Hero. It could be just an old school/new school issue at hand, but I feel the level of discourse has improved and the content has been cleaned up. That's just coming from an old fart who's been gambling since before ESPN was around, so I know I'm looking at it from a different perspective. You have not only Viejo, Iceman, the Prof, etc., but many posters who were dormant have re-emerged, like Irish Tim and Tim Patterson. I liked Mo and the boys, too, they had a lot of fun, but some people are not into the personal issues that clouded the site at times. I think with Ken's passing, a major change was inevitable, and the ensuing power struggle has already been fought.

Life, in general, is viewed much differently by 20 year olds than it is by 40-50 year olds. EOG now offers something different than Capwins. Thankfully.

I have a feeling Timely Hero enjoys the camaraderie of posters of his age and sports gambling background across the street. There is nothing wrong with getting in where you fit in. This site is not a good fit for people who can't legally drink or who still live at home with mom and dad. It simply just offers a different culture. Again, thankfully.