Mahomes Worth 9.5 Points, According To Fezzik....
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Not really comparable to the past, high scoring and all the passing game now makes him more valuable in points than ever. That was the thing with Manning, he was all about winning the game so wasn't a lock to lay big wood as he'd slow things down and go to the run game and short passes with a lead late. I don't think Mahomes ever trusts his D enough to do anything but keep foot on the gas.
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Congrats to
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TheGuesser
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Exactly. Right now his backup is Chad Henne, who is a below average backup, IMO. But he's better than some of the really pathetic backups, in Tenn, for instance. https://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchartpos/QB
Heim
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Mahomes got hurt in a 10-6 game. Moore comes in. Final score 30-6. Moore completes 11/17. Maybe not the most accurate barometer
but you get the point. I think over a touchdown for any Qb is over-stating his value.
railbird
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45% passer? he didnt do much in superbowl
TheGuesser
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Like you said, the backup is the key component. Moore is a considerably above NFL average backup, IMO. If Mahomes backup is a Logan Woodside or Cole McDonald, I don't know what the drop should be.
Heim
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Indy opens -9.5 and Jim Sorgi announced as starter on Friday...you really don't think you see ever bit of pick?
FairWarning
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Much better to judge them when the opponent has a week to prepare and has some film. I think when the starting QB goes out, the team rallies around the backup. The opponent lets up sometimes also.
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I'll take the under.
Agree on most teams. Matt Moore came out of retirement to join KC and had a QB rating of 100.9 in 2019. Alex Smith had the highest passer rating in the league his last year in KC. All QBs look great in KC. I'm not saying that Mahomes isn't great, but as long as you have a track team and Kelce, KC wins games.
Rodgers in his prime was worth the most to the betting line.
Alex Smith wasn't strong but he was a good runner.
Viejo Dinosaur
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What were you, two years old in that Super Bowl?
i really don't remember him too much. I will take your word for it though.. I like your opinion
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All that proved was Matt Moore > Joe Flacco.
Sportsrmylife
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This was the one discussion that I wish RJ Bell was on to tear this apart.
Fezzik stated that the key to the 9.5 was Mahomes to the backup.
Aaron Rodgers to his backup in his prime was HUGE! I think it was actually worth 10.5 points. The Packers were completely awful.
The thing that Fezzik missed and Jonas didn't press him on is what the lines were in the games that the Chiefs last season without Mahomes.
One was on a Thursday night at home vs the Packers. the line didn't move anything close to 9.5 points.
Plus favor in one of the best head coaches in the NFL in Andy Reid.
9.5 is way way too much and is more of Fezzik, who is more public each year so that people think "hey he thinks like me" that he announces this factor on the day he signs the biggest contract in NFL history.
Fezzik stated that the key to the 9.5 was Mahomes to the backup.
Aaron Rodgers to his backup in his prime was HUGE! I think it was actually worth 10.5 points. The Packers were completely awful.
The thing that Fezzik missed and Jonas didn't press him on is what the lines were in the games that the Chiefs last season without Mahomes.
One was on a Thursday night at home vs the Packers. the line didn't move anything close to 9.5 points.
Plus favor in one of the best head coaches in the NFL in Andy Reid.
9.5 is way way too much and is more of Fezzik, who is more public each year so that people think "hey he thinks like me" that he announces this factor on the day he signs the biggest contract in NFL history.
Viejo Dinosaur
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Made a few dollars back then in high school....winning a hundred dollars back then was like winning the lottery for me....
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It actually did. Went from KC -3.5 on the lookahead line, to GB as high as -5.5. And that was with a nice backup in Matt Moore.
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WildBill
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Love to see Russ in a better offense. Mahomes far more talented physically, but Wilson a much better QB mentally. Put him in a less run focused offense and he would get to another level.
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Full Guarantees aren't revealed yet. 140 Million guaranteed against injury all I've heard. It looks like a contract that is geared to be revisited in 2027.
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In comparison to his back up. Much depends on who the back up is.
Heim, didn't see your follow up post below -- my apologies.
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BIG DIFFERENCE:JETS WITH SAM DARNOLD VS LUKE FALK. Falk was the Jets 3rd string QB playing in games 2,3,4. In the first half they were outscored 57-3
TheGuesser
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It's actually an amazingly team friendly contract that gives KC lots of flexibility, through at least 2026. Roster bonuses are the crack in the cap. Teams can convert them to increase cap space. More I've seen it broken down, more it appears Mahomes lived up to his pledge to allow the team to have flexibility throughout his contract. As long as Mahomes plays as well or better than he has, this contract won't keep KC from building a winning team around him. If he falls off a cliff, then yeah.
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The league will squash that eventually. Especially after the owners cry that they aren't making money in a couple of years due to segregationist policies and flag football rules continuing to reduce viewership.
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I usually don't agree with Fezzik on a lot but in this case I do. If Mahones goes out and an average backup is scheduled to start in his place the next game I move the line down 9.5 to 10 points. Mahomes is better than Green Bay QB Aaron Rodgers. The guy can light up a scoreboard when he's under center and he never lets up until he takes a knee on the final play of the game.
I knew Patrick's father pitched in the big leagues.
But I just learned Patrick's godfather is LaTroy Hawkins, former reliever who pitched in the big leagues for 21 seasons.
LaTroy was a three-sport star in high school (West Side High in Gary, Indiana) where his main high school rival was Glenn "Big Dog" Robinson.
But I just learned Patrick's godfather is LaTroy Hawkins, former reliever who pitched in the big leagues for 21 seasons.
LaTroy was a three-sport star in high school (West Side High in Gary, Indiana) where his main high school rival was Glenn "Big Dog" Robinson.
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This contract gets better and better for KC. Only 3 real years of dead money, and none after 5 years. If the unthinkable happens and Mahomes gets hurt/goes bad/something else, KC can get out of it with not much damage. Of course they'll then have to find a reasonable facsimile, which in KC QB time only happens once every 57 years. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/patrick-mahomes-21751/