2018 year of Philly minus the Flyers
Between Championships and massive turnarounds...future is bright
Huh?Brett Lawrie was a better prospect than Mike Trout
If you’re the Phils, why wouldn’t you start him in the minors for 2 weeks like the cubs did with Bryant? If he’s as good as they think, they tie him up for an extra year of control and save $10-15 mil.
I understand he is a highly touted prospect. But why jump the gun with the extension? You've got years of contract control with him. He still does not have a regular season at bat in MLB. Seems like an odd decision at this point in time.
I think we are going to start seeing this trend a lot more by GM’s. Kingery is now contractually tied to Philly until his early 30s. We’ve seen the FA spending cut in half this year with a concerted effort to spend more efficiently.
I watched Kingery for 3 years at UA and he’s a nice player with decent (not outstanding) tools but probably doesn’t have that high of a ceiling. His power #’s were very much inflated in minors last year playing in very hitter friendly parks. Solid player though who can do a little bit of everything.
But why now? Like Fair Warning said, send him to the minors for the 15 days or so. That extra year of control could be big, IF he pans out. And let him at least show he's not overmatched at the MLB level before offering the extension.
The timing of signing and playing now was probably part of the agreed contract for Kingery. The way the Phils look at it is why care too much about half a year of control when Kingery won’t now become a free agent until he’s 33?
They’ve sure invested a lot of guaranteed money into someone who hasn’t proven they can play Major League Baseball well.
24 million guaranteed with 3 years of team options to keep a player under Phillies control until he’s 33 is not a big investment at all.
24 million guaranteed with 3 years of team options to keep a player under Phillies control until he’s 33 is not a big investment at all.
Its still dumb, you could pay him $500K/year.
If Kingery turns into the legit player they think he will it’s extremely cost efficient for the team in the long run. The slow freeze in free agency this year is a sign of things to come and moves like the Phils made here will become a growing trend-just watch.
Why is a sure thing MLB star posting a sub .800 OPS in AAA in 300 or so at bats at 23 years old?
I never said Kingery was a sure thing nor a future star. Have you ever seen him play? I watched him for 3 years. The guy does a lot of the little things that don’t show up in box scores. Very high Baseball IQ. Very nice speed stealing 29 last year while only getting thrown out 5 times. Can play many positions. If Theo locked up a top 30 MLB ranked prospect (like Happ was before the start of last season) you’d be bragging how brilliantly creative Theo was and everyone on the board here knows this.
lol what are you talking about?
Locking up Anthony Rizzo ended up being the smartest thing any GM has ever done just about. Dude is getting 20% of his worth in his prime. These are result dependent evaluations. We don't know whether this was smart or dumb yet.
lol what are you talking about?
Locking up Anthony Rizzo ended up being the smartest thing any GM has ever done just about. Dude is getting 20% of his worth in his prime. These are result dependent evaluations. We don't know whether this was smart or dumb yet.
This is going to be a trend. Once Theo makes a similar move you can come here and tell us how dumb it is.
And how would signing Happ right now be comparable? Happ hit 24 major league HR last year as a 22 year old and posted an .842 OPS?
I disagree with you about this becoming a trend though. I think the only prospects who are going to sign these types of deals are guys terrified that they’ll never be good. Not exactly a good look from either angle.
Was Rizzo terrified he wouldn’t be good when he signed on the cheap?
Pretty easy to answer that one. Do you think Rizzo low balls himself if he hits like he is now in 2011-2013???
So what is this guy afraid of? Seems obvious.
Ha-you say it’s easy to answer but don’t answer the question.
That’s a good question and it cost him a lot of money. There is a big difference between him and Kingery - Rizzo had two years of MLB experience, hence the Cubs had to buy him out of arbitration. We don’t know a thing about Kingery outside of spring training. Scrappers in college are a dime a dozen, that doesn’t mean you reward win with a long term deal before he has an official AB.Was Rizzo terrified he wouldn’t be good when he signed on the cheap?
Are you dense? One awful year and one year of mediocrity at the MLB level talked Rizzo into selling himself short.
What talked Kingery into doing it? One half year of mediocrity against AAA pitching?
Sounds like a confident guy lol
move rizo to left ... trade swarber to AL
Rizzo is a Gold Glove winning first baseman. Why would you potentially weaken two positions? Schwarber may not be Mike Trout in the outfield, but with no experience (for Rizzo in OF), I would have to believe he'd be better than Rizzo.