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kane

kane

EOG master
Valuist said:
Odd decision by Shanahan. Down 14-6 early in second half, Purdy scores on a 1 yard run to make it 14-12. Go for 2, right? Nope. They went to kick.....and Anders Carlson promptly shanked it. Turned out not to matter, but WTF was Shanahan thinking?

Will the Watson injury be a career ender?
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I though kicking it was the right thing, fourth quarter different story, but early third quarter I agree with it, by kicking it you go down 1, a Chiefs TD makes it an 8 point deficit, but if you go for 2 and don't get it, a Chiefs TD puts you down 9, to me early in the second half the difference between 8 and 9 is bigger than down 1 or tied, but I don't think the decision is clear cut, I could see going for 2 as well. As far as Watson, he gets paid all that money whether he plays again or not, with each passing week that contract looks worse and worse
 
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Valuist

EOG Master
Have to admire the consistency of Carolina's defense:

10/6 vs Chicago 424 yards allowed, 6.1 ypp
10/13 vs Atlanta 423 yards allowed 6.2 ypp
10/20 vs Wash 421 yards allowed 6.7 ypp
 
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Valuist

EOG Master
With KC winning, it gets overlooked how poorly Mahomes played. 154 pass yards 0 TDs 2 ints; 44 QB rating.

Mahomes has had game QB ratings under 90 for 5 straight games.
 
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pro analyser

EOG Dedicated
Valuist said:
With KC winning, it gets overlooked how poorly Mahomes played. 154 pass yards 0 TDs 2 ints; 44 QB rating.

Mahomes has had game QB ratings under 90 for 5 straight games.
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1729528168421.png KC's mvp. Beat Brady twice in sb(including 18-0 season at that pt) Beat ravens when offense scored 0 pts in 2nd half,afc final. Beat Sf when offense scored 0 pts in first half in SB
 
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Patrick McIrish

OCCams raZOR
Mahomes has won 3 of the last 5 SB's, last 2 in a row, going for a 3-peat, and is 6-0 this year.

Tough crowd when people insist he isn't doing his job.

Let's hope to GOD he doesn't start playing to expected levels, he might really start winning!

To quote some fat guy - winning isn't the most important thing, it's the only thing that matters.
 
Squarepants

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Patrick McIrish said:
Mahomes has won 3 of the last 5 SB's, last 2 in a row, going for a 3-peat, and is 6-0 this year.

Tough crowd when people insist he isn't doing his job.

Let's hope to GOD he doesn't start playing to expected levels, he might really start winning!

To quote some fat guy - winning isn't the most important thing, it's the only thing that matters.
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You do have a point here.

Fairly sure that KC, including of course Mahomes, has played more games, including more playoff games, than any other NFL team over the past 6 years, now going on 7.

To have an early season lull after playing all those games -- including all those high intensity playoff games -- hardly would be unexpected.

To have that lull while going 6-0 is rather extraordinary.

And, yes, lord help the rest of the league if Mahomes and KC "get back in character" as we get closer to the 2024 playoff season.

Just about the worst thing to face in a fight is a champion coming up off the mat. And they haven't even been really put -- on -- the mat yet.
 
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MrTop

EOG Master
i knew we would see one of the best ever when he was losing in the playoffs. Now it is hard to knock him off. He makes the play when he has to.
 
choslamshe

choslamshe

EOG Master
I'd take the Lions to win 10/10 time ls against the overhyped, undisciplined, overrated head coach, Ravens. Team will win 11-12 games, then crumble...again
 
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Patrick McIrish

OCCams raZOR
Someone want to explain why when the Bucs made it 41-24 they went for 2 instead of just kicking it and getting within 2 scores?

Please don't tell me that's more of that "metrics" crap.

If they kick it then the next TD they scored they could have pulled within one score.

I'm sure a "math guy" here on the forums will tell me I'm wrong, LOL.
 
Crazy Pete

Crazy Pete

EOG Addicted
Patrick McIrish said:
Someone want to explain why when the Bucs made it 41-24 they went for 2 instead of just kicking it and getting within 2 scores?

Please don't tell me that's more of that "metrics" crap.
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It’s more of that “metrics” crap.
Junior high school level metrics.
Patrick McIrish said:
If they kick it then the next TD they scored they could have pulled within one score.
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The next TD could have pulled them within one score IF THEY CONVERTED A TWO POINT CONVERSION ON THOSE NEXT TWO SCORES
Patrick McIrish said:
I'm sure a "math guy" here on the forums will tell me I'm wrong, LOL.
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You’re wrong.
TB was unlikely to win at that point no matter what, but assuming they could hold Baltimore to no more points, and they score two more touchdowns, then they’ll need at least two of the next 3 to be 2-point conversions to tie (3 to win).
So it’s best to go for the two-point conversion right away. That way, if you miss it, you will know you need a fourth score.
 
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Patrick McIrish

OCCams raZOR
Are you kidding around Pete?

It was 41-24, kick it and be down 2 scores. There is no reason to gamble, get the game to 2 scores!!??

Had they kicked it, the game is 41-25. That next TD you saw them score, THEN you go for 2! If you make it you are down 1 score.

Then you don't even need to try another onsides kick, with 2 minutes left and all 3 time-outs you can kick it deep and play defense.

You're smarter than this.

No reason this deep in the game you go for 2 and try and be down 15 instead of 16 and throw the game away because you're still down 3 scores.

If you're trolling, good job dude. If you're serious you need to watch more football my man.

In that situation if you can get it to 2 scores you get it to 2 scores. The whole game played out differently based on that ridiculous call.

Had they just kicked it they were a single 2-point conversion away from being down 1 possession at the end of the game.

If you're going to get stars hurt playing to win they need to understand WTF they're doing.
 
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Patrick McIrish

OCCams raZOR
More like 3rd grade stuff. No reason to gamble with the game at that point.

Nothing to gain, everything to lose. You chase points like that when you have to........

Doesn't even take into account things like momentum.

They kick, down 2 scores, when they recovered the onsides kick and went down to score, it could have been a one possession game!!

How fired up would the team be to even have a chance to get to that spot?

One conversion away from being 41-33 at the end of the game with time on the clock AND all 3 time-outs.

What a spot to be in considering how bad it was a few minutes earlier.

Instead you go for 2 trying to be down 15 instead of 16, you miss and down 17. The air lets out of the team and the stadium.

Err... well at least we know we need 4 scores at that point. LOL.

I must be drunk, good night.
 
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Patrick McIrish

OCCams raZOR
BTW if you're down 14 and want to go for 2, that's a horse of a different color.

If you miss you're still down one possession.

But to stay 3 possessions down when you can just kick and pull within 2 possessions has got to be the wrong move.

Getting it down to 15 isn't so much better than 16 that you can risk staying down by 17 (and 3 possessions).

Hate to sound like an old fuck here but that's not math, that's common sense.

Start crossing other bridges when you get there but give your team a chance to win at the end, you do that by kicking the XP when you are down 17.

Rough night, bet the Chargers and Bucs game UNDER. Nothing like a 0-2 night to get you in fighting mode, LOL.

Who knows, maybe I am wrong, haven't seen anyone else bitch about it yet. :(
 
FairWarning

FairWarning

Bells Beer Connoisseur
choslamshe said:
I'd take the Lions to win 10/10 time ls against the overhyped, undisciplined, overrated head coach, Ravens. Team will win 11-12 games, then crumble...again
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Henry is the missing piece on offense. He should save Jackson from wearing down. If the Tabens lose, it’ll be on defense.
 
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MrTop

EOG Master
Patrick McIrish said:
Someone want to explain why when the Bucs made it 41-24 they went for 2 instead of just kicking it and getting within 2 scores?

Please don't tell me that's more of that "metrics" crap.

If they kick it then the next TD they scored they could have pulled within one score.

I'm sure a "math guy" here on the forums will tell me I'm wrong, LOL.
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I am a math guy but a horrible drinker

I was up 10-0 with +4.5 ... I then took out my calculator added and subtracted and it said i lost at the end of the night and i had a fake martini

how did i lose again
 
Viejo Dinosaur

Viejo Dinosaur

EOG Master
MrTop said:
I am a math guy but a horrible drinker

I was up 10-0 with +4.5 ... I then took out my calculator added and subtracted and it said i lost at the end of the night and i had a fake martini

how did i lose again
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The top two receivers might be out next week for the Bucs
 
Crazy Pete

Crazy Pete

EOG Addicted
Was Kamala Harris your probabilities teacher?
You keep referring to “two scores”.
But to get those 16 points you need two touchdowns AND TWO 2-point conversions.
So you’re going to have to go for two point conversions at least twice anyway, no matter what.
Why do you have such an aversion to go for 2 after the first touchdown? If you do that, you HAVE to go for the two-point conversions after the second and third touchdowns.
It should be obvious that it’s best to do it as soon as you can, for a variety of reasons.
 
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Valuist

EOG Master
I agree with Pizzola's take on Jayden Daniels. If he plays, the market will value him as if he's 100 pct, and he won't be. If there's rush props for him, go under. If he plays, Wash will want to keep him in the pocket.

We saw QB Cook with Tenn yesterday. During the week he was questionable, at best. Possibly even doubtful. The XM guys were going on how he's a warrior, he will play, and Tenn will put up a lot of points. He clearly wasn't close to 100%, and the results bore that out.
 
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Valuist

EOG Master
FWIW, longtime Browns announcer Jim Donovan died yesterday. Wouldn't be surprised to see a new energy, esp with Watson gone.
 
FairWarning

FairWarning

Bells Beer Connoisseur
Heim said:
I'm not sure what he could have done, guy was at the right place at the right time...
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There was a thing that could be done, block the guy in back when the ball was touched. It’s about position and not going for the ball.
 
kane

kane

EOG master
Valuist said:
It came to fruition. And it didn't hurt getting rid of Watson.

Bears had the brutal beat of the year.
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I've never been a believer in things like that, they won due to having a competent QB, and the team rallying around the backup, had their announcer not died, I think the outcome would have been the same
 
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Valuist

EOG Master
kane said:
I've never been a believer in things like that, they won due to having a competent QB, and the team rallying around the backup, had their announcer not died, I think the outcome would have been the same
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I've seen instances like this in the past. Football is such an emotional game; anything to trigger a little more adrenaline. That doesn't guarantee a win, but it might mean a more focused effort.

I heard something interesting on the Bet US broadcast; Las Vegas Cris mentioned that he thought Baltimore exerted a tremendous amount of energy on Monday night. With the quick turnaround, they may have been a little vulnerable. I guess Balt only loses to teams like the Browns and Raiders.
 
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Patrick McIrish

OCCams raZOR
FairWarning said:
There was a thing that could be done, block the guy in back when the ball was touched. It’s about position and not going for the ball.
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Correct. They teach you do not ever under any circumstance allow anyone to get behind you.

Allowing the offensive guy to be the deepest on the field is a big mistake.
 
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Valuist

EOG Master
FairWarning said:
Bears should have called TO and put a couple of their taller receivers in to help defend also.
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Bingo. This ties to Kane's comment about Eberfuls' ignorance. Eberflus claims they've practiced the play a hundred times. How can you have all the non pass rushers going for the deflection and not one defender behind the scrum? But you are 100 percent correct; why not get Kmet, Keenan Allen and Rome out there instead of the shorter DBs?
 
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