"COVID-19 herd immunity strategy could lead to 'overwhelming death and devastation' "

[X-Files]

Compare them to countries to the south of them, sweden is better compared to them than their immediate neighbors for various reasons.

Nonsense. As usual you have no clue what you're talking about.

"Sweden compared to other Nordic countries which they share so many societal norms with.

As of October 15
--------------------------7 day average---------------7 day average/Mln
Sweden--------------653------------------------------64/Mln
Denmark------------410------------------------------70/Mln
Norway--------------131------------------------------24/Mln
Finland---------------228-----------------------------41/Mln

As per some people's made up standards we can clearly see Sweden has reached herd immunity and others haven't. We can also clearly see that those other countries are in a 2nd wave meanwhile Sweden isn't. "

Note the sarcasm at the end there.

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/why-most-masks-dont-work.726027/page-11#post-6836890

Plus you completely miss the fact that life is normal is sweden, no one wears masks, no one social distances, there is no fear and hysteria.

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Life in Sweden hasn't been normal since early in the pandemic. They have been social distancing. Some do wear masks. There is some fear, hence the social distancing, people being told to not travel, work from home, not gather in large groups, high schools & universities shut, etc.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...-s-lax-pandemic-policies-face-fierce-backlash

 

[billysink]

I forget the gambling acumen on display in the Sinker 100. The idiot must think that the market never offers an overlay and the favorite always wins.

Biden is a huge overlay

 

[X-Files]

Damn the science denying "Stable Genius" crowd, you all have the same commonality of not retaining, or understanding any information that you read, specifically if you have a predisposition on it formed from your biased & non factual way of thinking.
Here is a thread that I've explained the great similarities of Nordic countries to one another and the differences to other European countries from them, there is also articles linked in there that also touches on the point of sociological norms from Nordic countries to one another and the difference to other European countries.

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/swe...rs-show-a-different-story.710402/post-6688596

If you lived in Europe and you didn't understand the undeniable similarities of Nordic countries to one another and their difference to the rest of Europe you lived an uninformed life. Even after this has been explained to you numerous times in different threads it's astonishing that you still do not understand this. One would have to be completely oblivious to it's surroundings and facts to not understand this.
Not that I expect you to understand or retain any of the information from the posts or articles in that thread.

Now your turn to answer the previous questions which you don't have a logical response for.

The scientific data shows the rate of transmission in both Sweden and Denmark is very similar proving your non factual theory to be false. Please do explain how you view Denmark to be in a 2nd wave yet you view Sweden's number of cases to be on a downslope and it being proof of Sweden reaching herd immunity?
Please also do explain how you originally thought the reduced number of deaths was proof of herd immunity?

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/why-most-masks-dont-work.726027/page-12#post-6839960

 

[Bigrunner]

60,000 cases yesterday, 900 dead, testing down.

Trump says we've turned the corner, health experts are predicting daily deaths will approach 2,000 in the near future. Trump's herd immunity is working great. At least that's what Raiders the Retard tells himself.

 

[mr merlin]

Good news, another 5 month high in cases in NY, lets get that surge going, let God sort them out.

 

[billysink]

Good news, another 5 month high in cases in NY, lets get that surge going, let God sort them out.

the guy who called the pandemic over at least 148 times since April is now celebrating a 5 month high in cases and calling on God

Guy someone needs to scoop you up and shove you in a test tube like the stool sample you are.

 

[mr merlin]

the guy who called the pandemic over at least 148 times since April is now celebrating a 5 month high in cases and calling on God

Guy someone needs to scoop you up and shove you in a test tube like the stool sample you are.

I've decided to switch sides, going to cheer on and celebrate virus surges in blue states. It will expose their failures to properly address the pandemic.

 

[X-Files]

Infections among the elderly rising:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/22/europe/europe-coronavirus-older-people-intl/index.html

 

[mr merlin]

If cases are rising, which groups do not have rising numbers?

 

[Heisenberg]

I've decided to switch sides, going to cheer on and celebrate virus surges in blue states. It will expose their failures to properly address the pandemic.

The top ten states it’s currently surging are all red states with R govs

 

[alfie]

If cases are rising, which groups do not have rising numbers?

jmo. lockdowns don't work. just delays. full openings don't work. produces rapid increase in cases.

 

[mr merlin]

Lockdowns spreading all over europe...except one place.
Sweden Refuses to Impose New Lockdown Measures, Saying People Have Suffered Enough

Loneliness, mental health impact of lockdown balanced against COVID threat.


Published
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23 October, 2020
Paul Joseph Watson


JONATHAN NACKSTRAND/Getty Images

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Health authorities in Sweden have refused to follow the rest of Europe by imposing new coronavirus lockdown measures on their population, arguing that those beset by loneliness and misery of being isolated have suffered enough.
Despite Sweden mirroring other countries on the continent with rising coronavirus infections, the government has held firm in refusing to lockdown its population, weighing the untold misery and health impacts of isolation against the threat of COVID-19.
“The elderly, they said, have suffered enough,” writes Fraser Nelson. “They have spent months being advised to avoid public transport, shopping malls and other parts of everyday life. And the result? Loneliness. Misery. This is more than unpleasant: it quickly translates into depression, mental health issues and mortality. “We cannot only think about infection control,” said Lena Hallengren, Sweden’s health minister, “we also need to think about public health.” An important distinction: focus on Covid to the exclusion of other conditions and you risk lives.”
Hallengren’s 21 page report also uncovered a “decline in mental health” that was “likely to worsen the longer the recommendations remain in place,” leading officials to lift lockdown restrictions that previously applied to over-70s.
After deciding to take a “herd immunity” approach to COVID-19 at the start of the pandemic, Sweden was roundly condemned for not following the harsh lockdowns imposed by virtually every other major European country.
However, as Newsweek acknowledged, Sweden’s COVID-19 death rate is lower than those of Spain, the UK and Italy, countries which all imposed draconian lockdowns.
Unlike the rest of the continent, Sweden’s economy is also in a far better position to make a swifter recovery.
The country’s senior epidemiologist Anders Tengell has also criticized the wearing of face masks as “very dangerous” because it gives a false sense of security but does not effectively stem the spread of the virus.

 

[mr merlin]

jmo. lockdowns don't work. just delays. full openings don't work. produces rapid increase in cases.

What needs to happen is to try to infect most young people, anyone under 30-35. Build a massive reservoir of immunity with almost no cost.

 

[mr merlin]

The top ten states it’s currently surging are all red states with R govs

But they're not whining about it, are they? Whereas blue states with far lower numbers are in an absolute tizzy. Looks like things may be peaking in some of these midwest states anyway.

 

[X-Files]

jmo. lockdowns don't work. just delays. full openings don't work. produces rapid increase in cases.

Lockdowns work in much the same way as quarantines work.

Quarantine an infected person for a few weeks. They can't spread the virus to a football stadium full of people. After a few weeks of quarantine where is the virus then?

Due to lockdowns:

1) serious vehicular accidents & deaths are way way down
2) flu deaths & serious complications have decreased tremendously
3) C-19 ill health & deaths are far less due to the lockdowns
4) likewise probably other communicable diseases (e.g. tuberculosis, HIV) have been greatly reduced by the extreme safety measures in place
5) street crimes have probably been highly reduced.
6) families have been able to spend more time together enjoying each others company while free from the slavery of that 4 letter word "work" that the vast majority hate. Giving more time for quality of life activities like sex & various entertainments.
7) abortions (child murder) are probably down.

http://www.therxforum.com/showthread...1#post13211637

 

[alfie]

Lockdowns work in much the same way as quarantines work.

Quarantine an infected person for a few weeks. They can't spread the virus to a football stadium full of people. After a few weeks of quarantine where is the virus then?

Due to lockdowns:

1) serious vehicular accidents & deaths are way way down
2) flu deaths & serious complications have decreased tremendously
3) C-19 ill health & deaths are far less due to the lockdowns
4) likewise probably other communicable diseases (e.g. tuberculosis, HIV) have been greatly reduced by the extreme safety measures in place
5) street crimes have probably been highly reduced.
6) families have been able to spend more time together enjoying each others company while free from the slavery of that 4 letter word "work" that the vast majority hate. Giving more time for quality of life activities like sex & various entertainments.
7) abortions (child murder) are probably down.

http://www.therxforum.com/showthread...1#post13211637

have you thought of a list of all the bad things in life lockdowns produce........there are many..........#6 i hope you're joking

 

[X-Files]

Lockdowns spreading all over europe...except one place.
Sweden Refuses to Impose New Lockdown Measures, Saying People Have Suffered Enough

Loneliness, mental health impact of lockdown balanced against COVID threat.


Published
1 min ago
on
23 October, 2020
Paul Joseph Watson


JONATHAN NACKSTRAND/Getty Images

• 
  
  
  
• 3 Comments

Health authorities in Sweden have refused to follow the rest of Europe by imposing new coronavirus lockdown measures on their population, arguing that those beset by loneliness and misery of being isolated have suffered enough.
Despite Sweden mirroring other countries on the continent with rising coronavirus infections, the government has held firm in refusing to lockdown its population, weighing the untold misery and health impacts of isolation against the threat of COVID-19.
“The elderly, they said, have suffered enough,” writes Fraser Nelson. “They have spent months being advised to avoid public transport, shopping malls and other parts of everyday life. And the result? Loneliness. Misery. This is more than unpleasant: it quickly translates into depression, mental health issues and mortality. “We cannot only think about infection control,” said Lena Hallengren, Sweden’s health minister, “we also need to think about public health.” An important distinction: focus on Covid to the exclusion of other conditions and you risk lives.”
Hallengren’s 21 page report also uncovered a “decline in mental health” that was “likely to worsen the longer the recommendations remain in place,” leading officials to lift lockdown restrictions that previously applied to over-70s.
After deciding to take a “herd immunity” approach to COVID-19 at the start of the pandemic, Sweden was roundly condemned for not following the harsh lockdowns imposed by virtually every other major European country.
However, as Newsweek acknowledged, Sweden’s COVID-19 death rate is lower than those of Spain, the UK and Italy, countries which all imposed draconian lockdowns.
Unlike the rest of the continent, Sweden’s economy is also in a far better position to make a swifter recovery.
The country’s senior epidemiologist Anders Tengell has also criticized the wearing of face masks as “very dangerous” because it gives a false sense of security but does not effectively stem the spread of the virus.

What a piece of crap that article is. (BTW loneliness in the day of cell phones, TV, internet, video chat?) Compare:

"Sweden is moving away from its no-lockdown strategy and preparing strict new rules amid rising coronavirus cases":

https://www.businessinsider.com/swe...wn-strategy-amid-growing-case-numbers-2020-10

"Big spike in Sweden's coronavirus cases forces rethink on lockdown amid Europe's second wave":

https://www.9news.com.au/world/coro...ope-news/5b573a9d-1fff-47b2-a155-ae291dd9dcaf

 

[X-Files]

have you thought of a list of all the bad things in life lockdowns produce........there are many..........#6 i hope you're joking

IMO the bad things are minor compared to how effective & successful lockdowns have been.

 

[alfie]

The bad things are minor compared to how effective & successful lockdowns have been.

just where have lockdowns worked.

having money to survive is not minor unless you go 2 years without eating

 

[raiders72001]

Bad news for libs

FDA Approves First Treatment for COVID-19

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-treatment-covid-19

 

[Heisenberg]

Bad news for libs https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-treatment-covid-19

That’s great news.....fingers crossed it’s effective and arrives soon

 

[X-Files]

just where have lockdowns worked.

Everywhere.

Due to lockdowns:

1) serious vehicular accidents & deaths are way way down
2) flu deaths & serious complications have decreased tremendously
3) C-19 ill health & deaths are far less due to the lockdowns
4) likewise probably other communicable diseases (e.g. tuberculosis, HIV) have been greatly reduced by the extreme safety measures in place
5) street crimes have probably been highly reduced.
6) families have been able to spend more time together enjoying each others company while free from the slavery of that 4 letter word "work" that the vast majority hate. Giving more time for quality of life activities like sex & various entertainments.
7) abortions (child murder) are probably down.

having money to survive is not minor unless you go 2 years without eating

I've been penniless & homeless for days yet never lacked food.

 

[alfie]

Everywhere.

Due to lockdowns:

1) serious vehicular accidents & deaths are way way down
2) flu deaths & serious complications have decreased tremendously
3) C-19 ill health & deaths are far less due to the lockdowns
4) likewise probably other communicable diseases (e.g. tuberculosis, HIV) have been greatly reduced by the extreme safety measures in place
5) street crimes have probably been highly reduced.
6) families have been able to spend more time together enjoying each others company while free from the slavery of that 4 letter word "work" that the vast majority hate. Giving more time for quality of life activities like sex & various entertainments.
7) abortions (child murder) are probably down.



I've been penniless & homeless for days yet never lacked food.

i live on earth. so everywhere is where?

most don't want to live on the street.......gl

 

[Bigrunner]

That’s great news.....fingers crossed it’s effective and arrives soon

Raiders is slightly retarded at minimum. Why would an effective therapeutic be bad news for the libs?

 

[X-Files]

most don't want to live on the street.......gl

Better to live on the street than to be dead. Or murder someone else.

Better to be alive in a modern first world civilized nation with the highest quality of life ever in history than to live in North Korea or Europe in the 14th century.

 

[X-Files]

"The graphs that show Australia's achievement in stopping second-wave Covid outbreak


...The Australian state of Victoria has achieved a remarkable reduction in Covid-19 case numbers after a lengthy period of restrictions.

To put this achievement in context – Australia has done what very few countries have achieved in effectively suppressing a second-wave outbreak from a high point of more than 700 new cases a day. Victoria has now recorded only two cases in three days and lockdown restrictions are being eased.

Here’s a visual comparison of Australia’s epidemic curve compared with a number of other countries, scaled to make comparing the shape of curves easier:

http://[URL]https://www.theguardian...vement-in-stopping-second-wave-covid-outbreak

[/URL]

" Singapore has also managed to achieve a similar reduction in numbers, while South Korea has brought numbers from the mid-300s down to less than 100 new cases a day. Japan has roughly halved daily cases from the peak of its second wave, and Vietnam has also suppressed a second wave but from a much lower peak due to its earlier, effective control of the virus.

 

[FairWarning]

"The graphs that show Australia's achievement in stopping second-wave Covid outbreak


...The Australian state of Victoria has achieved a remarkable reduction in Covid-19 case numbers after a lengthy period of restrictions.

To put this achievement in context – Australia has done what very few countries have achieved in effectively suppressing a second-wave outbreak from a high point of more than 700 new cases a day. Victoria has now recorded only two cases in three days and lockdown restrictions are being eased.

Here’s a visual comparison of Australia’s epidemic curve compared with a number of other countries, scaled to make comparing the shape of curves easier:

http://[URL]https://www.theguardian...vement-in-stopping-second-wave-covid-outbreak

[/URL]

" Singapore has also managed to achieve a similar reduction in numbers, while South Korea has brought numbers from the mid-300s down to less than 100 new cases a day. Japan has roughly halved daily cases from the peak of its second wave, and Vietnam has also suppressed a second wave but from a much lower peak due to its earlier, effective control of the virus.

Now give us a list of the countries that are not basically islands with success. I think island nations have far better success as they can control people coming in.

 

[Bigrunner]

What a piece of crap that article is. (BTW loneliness in the day of cell phones, TV, internet, video chat?) Compare:

"Sweden is moving away from its no-lockdown strategy and preparing strict new rules amid rising coronavirus cases":

https://www.businessinsider.com/swe...wn-strategy-amid-growing-case-numbers-2020-10

"Big spike in Sweden's coronavirus cases forces rethink on lockdown amid Europe's second wave":

https://www.9news.com.au/world/coro...ope-news/5b573a9d-1fff-47b2-a155-ae291dd9dcaf

"Herd immunity worked in Sweden"
- Raiders the Retard

"Hydroxychlorquine cures Covid 19"
- Raiders the retarded one

 

[FairWarning]

Here is another article X-files about the social costs of Covid that backs up Merlins article - https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1244853

 

[X-Files]

Now give us a list of the countries that are not basically islands with success. I think island nations have far better success as they can control people coming in.

My post you replied to already said this regarding several nations that are not islands:

" Singapore has also managed to achieve a similar reduction in numbers, while South Korea has brought numbers from the mid-300s down to less than 100 new cases a day. Japan has roughly halved daily cases from the peak of its second wave, and Vietnam has also suppressed a second wave but from a much lower peak due to its earlier, effective control of the virus.

The only difference between island nations & others is that island nations do not allow people in by land. Instead they may be accessed by water. So what's the difference, really? Either way you need to block incoming air travel. And you need to block either incoming land or water travel.

The USA closed their only land borders with Canada & Mexico. The rest of the USA is water borders. But the USA failed in its closing of incoming air travel, amongst various other pandemic failures, leading to the USA being one of the top failures vs C-19 worldwide.

 

[FairWarning]

My post you replied to already said this regarding several nations that are not islands:

" Singapore has also managed to achieve a similar reduction in numbers, while South Korea has brought numbers from the mid-300s down to less than 100 new cases a day. Japan has roughly halved daily cases from the peak of its second wave, and Vietnam has also suppressed a second wave but from a much lower peak due to its earlier, effective control of the virus.

The only difference between island nations & others is that island nations do not allow people in by land. Instead they may be accessed by water. So what's the difference, really? Either way you need to block incoming air travel. And you need to block either incoming land or water travel.

The USA closed their only land borders with Canada & Mexico. The rest of the USA is water borders. But the USA failed in its closing of incoming air travel, amongst various other pandemic failures, leading to the USA being one of the top failures vs C-19 worldwide.

Do you think we should close all foreign travel? Maybe it'll teach us not to be so reliant on China.

I know you're Canadian, Canada has had some recent problems - namely Quebec. How are they handling it?

 

[SlipperyPete]

I guess we are doing the herd immunity thing afterall

 

[X-Files]

"Australia records zero Covid-19 cases..."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-54768038

 

[Bigrunner]

DJTJ says the daily deaths of a 1,000 are nothing. Jack Nicklaus says the death count is wayoff because doctors are committing insurance fraud.

America, what a country, where many, many so called great ones have exposed the ignorance

 

[raiders72001]

 

[mr merlin]

And this is what life is like there right now...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1321512169117224960

 

[X-Files]

Many countries have flattened the death curve, as Sweden's infections skyrocket.

Sweden has way more total deaths than their 3 Nordic neighbours (Norway, Finland, Denmark) combined while Sweden has a 50% larger population than the 3 of them combined. And Sweden is no better off economically. Clearly hard lockdowns, as occurred in those 3 nations, were the superior choice to Sweden's soft voluntary isolation approach.

Sweden dead = 5,918
Norway dead = 278
Finland dead = 346
Denmark dead = 677

"Sweden on lockdown: Country to bring in local shutdowns to fight coronavirus crisis":
https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...kdown-sweden-covid-19-coronavirus-latest-news

"Sweden 'to start lockdowns' as it has world's 12th highest Covid-19 death rate":
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/sweden-to-start-lockdowns-worlds-22864690

 

[Bigrunner]

Raiders is the retarded one!

 

[Chi_Archie]

The next month will be interesting in Sweden. Their numbers and updates have changed, so who really knows. But seems dumb to start to cause panic now and ask citizens to change their behaviors when they are so close to sweet sweet herd immunity


Sweden has now put five of its 21 regions under stricter guidelines as it faces the same problem as much of the rest of Europe: the virus is now spreading faster than it was at its first peak.

On October 29, Sweden's Public Health Agency announced stricter new advice for Stockholm, the capital, as well as the counties of Västra Götaland and Östergötland.




Anders Tegnell, Sweden's state epidemiologist and the driving force behind its approach, warned in late October that Sweden was approaching a "critical point" as the number of new cases reported a day rose by 70% in a week.

Sweden's Aftonbladet newspaper reported that, as of last week, coronavirus cases were increasing in 17 of the country's 21 regions.

And The Local Sweden reported that the number of critical care patients in the country has increased.

 

[mr merlin]

What exactly does "stricter advice mean?"