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As ChiJoe says....worth a look
https://www.horseracingnation.com/n...Maximum_Security_s_Kentucky_Derby_appeal_123#
https://www.horseracingnation.com/n...Maximum_Security_s_Kentucky_Derby_appeal_123#
As ChiJoe says....worth a look
https://www.horseracingnation.com/n...Maximum_Security_s_Kentucky_Derby_appeal_123#
I agree with Andy Beyer, bad DQ
https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...a575670e91c_story.html?utm_term=.d207b0595756
Its unwritten rules many abide by...he wasn't going to get moved up enough to get a check so he's not going to claim foulThat is what has puzzled me the most, why the jockey on 'Will' never lodged a jockey's claim of foul? He had the best vantage point if
in fact there was interference.
Its unwritten rules many abide by...he wasn't going to get moved up enough to get a check so he's not going to claim foul
But many here and elsewhere think WOW would have won easy......
If only we could get master horseman Gabe to chime in and end this debate once and for all.....
Anyone who agrees with him must not watch horse racing on a daily basis. This is a no brainer DQ.. so obvious and it had to happen
Anyone who agrees with him must not watch horse racing on a daily basis. This is a no brainer DQ.. so obvious and it had to happen
War of Will would have won. Fuck Servis
War of Will likely would've been top 4 or 5. I don't think anyone would've said he would've won easily. Anyone who thinks that is delusional.
Everyone has their opinion. I probably watch 5000 races a yr. I'm dumbfounded by calls made by the stewards all the time.
In the biggest race of the year you punish bettors to the maximum possible extent when the best horse won and the horse he interfered with wasn't going to win the race.
If the horse he interfered with thought he was going to win the race, he would have lodged an objection. Tyler G on WOW didn't object.
Baffert said
“No one calls an objection in the Derby… It’s always a roughly run race. Twenty-horse field. I have been wiped out numerous times, but that is the Derby. I can see by the book why they did it. Sometimes you’ve got to take your ass-kickings with dignity.’”
https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/bob-baffert-has-strong-response-to-kentucky-derby-controversy
Yeah he trains for the West's, but he also trained for Kaleem Shah and they split. Baffert doesn't need the business and isn't an ass kisser supporting one of his clients. He is telling it like he sees it.
Exactly....you don't claim foul when you know you're beat....granted this is the next day after you have some time to think about what you want to say to the press but this is worth a watch
Casse did say if they were higher like 6th better where a move up would be an official placing, at the finish they would have immediately claimed objection and let the stewards rule on it. Casse is pretty clear in this what he thinks. not saying he is right either. .
the interference put him so far back that he said well it does not matter now.
what a mess horse racing cant catch a break this year.
He's not even 3 yet by his foaming dateWar of Will likely would've been top 4 or 5. I don't think anyone would've said he would've won easily. Anyone who thinks that is delusional.
I don't understand why the connections of Maximim Security don't go to Pimlico. He'd have a great shot at winning, esp with the race being 110 yards shorter. He certainly isn't gonna run in the Preakness.
I know this: if Max Security and War of Will were to face off in Baltimore, MS would take much more betting money.
What happens on a daily basis is irrelevant here. Stewards issue DQs in half-hazard fashion on cheap races. Why? Because they can't take 20 minutes to decide a foul in a 15000 claiming race. And if they are wrong? It's no big deal; most DQs involve flip flopping the top 2 finishers. A few thousand dollars in purse money. No big deal. Here you not only have a giant purse but Triple Crown races determine a lot of what future stallions will stand for. They better be damned sure to make a change in a Triple Crown race, or a Breeders Cup race.
War of Will likely would've been top 4 or 5. I don't think anyone would've said he would've won easily. Anyone who thinks that is delusional.
I don't understand why the connections of Maximim Security don't go to Pimlico. He'd have a great shot at winning, esp with the race being 110 yards shorter. He certainly isn't gonna run in the Preakness.
I know this: if Max Security and War of Will were to face off in Baltimore, MS would take much more betting money.
I wouldn't have bet anything on MAXIMUM SECURITY winning the race just inside the 1/4 pole.
Jason Servis has to have some amazing medicine. You don't see many horses carve out the pace going 10 F with a fast opening 4F in the slop, get headed and confronted by 3 horses and then repel them away in the last Q to draw away to win by 1.75 lengths
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You might want to look at Servis track record. He never brings back horses in 2 weeks... why? Cause the drugs need time to wear off. There’s a reason why people don’t claim off of Servis (and Navarro’s horses)......
No chance I'm coming back in 2 weeks with no TC on the line...don't know what his issues were to be in for that tag in the first olace
Yes but who were the three horses? In that picture I see the best horse is around 9th or 10th very wide and going wider about 10 lengths back. If Game Winner was where Country House is bye, bye!
Game Winner wants to run outside, he was projected to get the wide trip with Rosario up and he got it.
Game Winner had the highest average speed of any horse in the derby
Yes we know that but nobody expected him to be 2nd to last 40 lengths back. Not Game Winner's game. IMO he ran the best race. And like someone said earlier, he had the fastest time average time per distance?
Servis trains a lot of claiming horses. You aren't going to train a 6 year old ouchy claimer the same way you would a top level 3 year old. Connections should try to find the best place to maximize value. The Preakness field is coming up weak. Country House is not going. From what I've heard, only Improbable and War of Will are likely to go from the Derby field. Maybe Game Winner but that hasn't been confirmed. And Mr. Money from the Pat Day Mile. You only get one chance to run in a Triple Crown race. They have a sharp horse; the only people West and Servis are punishing is themselves by not running.
In the biggest race of the year you punish bettors to the maximum possible extent when the best horse won and the horse he interfered with wasn't going to win the race.
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So anything goes in the big races?
Nobody can make that call about WOW after he was smacked around like that and lost all FORWARD momentum. He was full of run the entire race and the entire week training...right up to the point of interference.
Probably because he won by a big margin!And why does everyone think Maximum Security was so great ... had big breather backstretch...had EVERYTHING go his way....no mud kicked in his face.
I dunno maybe I'm just getting old and unwise
Sorry... any horse trainer by Servis cannot be a “great horse” to me.
I'm a little curious about some of you that hate that guy(servis)? Are you guys saying that if it wasn't for him, horse racing would be clean as a whistle?His brother's horse Smarty Jones was damned good. But I don't think John Servis is nearly as shady as his brother.
I'm a little curious about some of you that hate that guy(servis)? Are you guys saying that if it wasn't for him, horse racing would be clean as a whistle?
Exactly, so why the silly targeted smears of one trainer? Is baffert a really clean trainer, I doubt it.Nope, dirty dirty dirty sport. The small time barns don’t stand a chance.