NY is just a disaster. Outside of that the elderly are staying home. This stops deaths.
Your Level of Concern About the Coronavirus......on a scale of 1-10
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43 in NY. The people in 80s and 90s are going to die. They already had terminal diseases.
kane
EOG master
What stops deaths is social distancing, keeping people away from each other, not sending Americans back to work and re-opening businesses, doing that will only make the problem worse
NY should stay quarantined. How many people under 70 are dying outside of NY?
SlipperyPete
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They dont seem to understand that its gonna be EVERYWHERE!!
And the less serious they take it, the sooner it gets there.
Trump CAN NOT reopen before there are enough respirators to treat the treatables.
Chi_Archie
EOG Veteran
the more rural and isolated the area is, the longer it will be until their much smaller and less resourced hospitals, doctors, nurses, local governments will face the very overwhelming situations that larger cities with populations that travel abroad more often and have more 1st and 2nd generation immigrants with family and business overseas.
medium and small cities need to right now be coming up with their protocals that tracks and places individuals in isolation if they travel to a place like New York city, Seatle,Atlanta, La, Chicago, ect. in another 4-6 weeks they would need to track individuals that go to places with 250k populations ect.
Just like we cut off the influx of the virus from china, Europe ect. The smaller locales would need to shut it down from Larger cities.
anyone have any ideas on how to do that in the land of the free?
when a small town with 1 70 year old mayor and one 65 year old fat high blood pressure having sheriff, and 1-2 doctors all lose those people to CV, what is going to happen?
medium and small cities need to right now be coming up with their protocals that tracks and places individuals in isolation if they travel to a place like New York city, Seatle,Atlanta, La, Chicago, ect. in another 4-6 weeks they would need to track individuals that go to places with 250k populations ect.
Just like we cut off the influx of the virus from china, Europe ect. The smaller locales would need to shut it down from Larger cities.
anyone have any ideas on how to do that in the land of the free?
when a small town with 1 70 year old mayor and one 65 year old fat high blood pressure having sheriff, and 1-2 doctors all lose those people to CV, what is going to happen?
SlipperyPete
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The only thing different between New York and less populous states, is the density of people.
It will just take a bit longer for the virus to spread, but it will
It will just take a bit longer for the virus to spread, but it will
SlipperyPete
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Dont worry about that. The land of the free is a myth.
Even toughest gun toting red necks will bend over for you, if you scare them just a little.
It might take a smidgen longer for them to understand the gravity of the situation, but once they do, they will roll over for you just the same
Dr's don't care about unemployment. Let's not ruin the lives of families because some over 70 are going to die from the flu or much less likely, coronavirus.
80% of the deaths are from those 65 or older.
And they had underlying health conditions.
Chi_Archie
EOG Veteran
the world numbers are too small of sample size to be significant. And there is no historical longitudinal #'s to really draw conclusions as this is new and MUTATING.
the us numbers way way too small
I wouldn't make any bets on sports with chump change using the small sizes of data/stats/trends
but many are ready to crash both our economy, future health insurance capabilites, and potentially hundreds of thousands of lives.
we are a fat fat fukin heart sick country. This disease was designed for us, not just the old. But top workers in every industry and sector, are on piles of medications and will die from this. especially when the have half the doctors to care for them, on the floor of a hospital hallway with no ventilator at all.
that will cripple future health care for a decade. Health insurance companies will close. And the economy could be worse.
if you are making a YUGE bet on this, if you are going to gamble. you might want another 2-3 weeks of data. or you risk losing both ends of your middle. total economic depression and horrifying death and long term lung illnesses with thousands of thousands of doctors and nurses dead.
the us numbers way way too small
I wouldn't make any bets on sports with chump change using the small sizes of data/stats/trends
but many are ready to crash both our economy, future health insurance capabilites, and potentially hundreds of thousands of lives.
we are a fat fat fukin heart sick country. This disease was designed for us, not just the old. But top workers in every industry and sector, are on piles of medications and will die from this. especially when the have half the doctors to care for them, on the floor of a hospital hallway with no ventilator at all.
that will cripple future health care for a decade. Health insurance companies will close. And the economy could be worse.
if you are making a YUGE bet on this, if you are going to gamble. you might want another 2-3 weeks of data. or you risk losing both ends of your middle. total economic depression and horrifying death and long term lung illnesses with thousands of thousands of doctors and nurses dead.
Chi_Archie
EOG Veteran
Physicians are getting older as a whole: The average age of actively licensed physicians is now 51, according to the 2016 United States Census. And 30% of all physicians are aged 60 years or older—up from 26% percent in 2010.Feb 15, 2018
https://www.mdlinx.com/internal-medicine/article/1445
https://www.mdlinx.com/internal-medicine/article/1445
Chi_Archie
EOG Veteran
I wonder how many doctors and nurses will catch this with bad outcomes when the PPE, masks and equipment run out
the more you come in contact the worse your outcomes.
if you are breathed on all day by patients you are more likely to die.
early chinese doctors aged 29 and 34 died... wonder why?
they worked in the exact situations our will be in 2-4 weeks in many areas
the more you come in contact the worse your outcomes.
if you are breathed on all day by patients you are more likely to die.
early chinese doctors aged 29 and 34 died... wonder why?
they worked in the exact situations our will be in 2-4 weeks in many areas
SlipperyPete
EOG Dedicated
for now
Chi_Archie
EOG Veteran
again....sample sizes
if we are gonna deal with sample sizes of 2,400 let's do 25% of that as well.
here are early numbers with Chicago. there is no reason to ever try to extrapolate too much of anything in our country or cities until we know how it will affect over sick high blood pressure society.
598 infections
Age (range 7 to 91 years) 0-17 2.0%
18-59 73.7%
60+ 24.3%
Under investigation 0%
Gender Female 48.2%
Male 50.7%
Under investigation 1.1%
Hospitalizations Never hospitalized 35.3%
Ever hospitalized2 13.7%
Under investigation 51.0%
if we are gonna deal with sample sizes of 2,400 let's do 25% of that as well.
here are early numbers with Chicago. there is no reason to ever try to extrapolate too much of anything in our country or cities until we know how it will affect over sick high blood pressure society.
598 infections
Age (range 7 to 91 years) 0-17 2.0%
18-59 73.7%
60+ 24.3%
Under investigation 0%
Gender Female 48.2%
Male 50.7%
Under investigation 1.1%
Hospitalizations Never hospitalized 35.3%
Ever hospitalized2 13.7%
Under investigation 51.0%
Almost all that have died would have died from the next flu they caught. Of course there are a couple of exceptions.
Infected is different than death.
Three died in Chicago yesterday. 2 in their 80s, one in 90s.
40,000 will die this year from road crashes. We don't stop driving.
SlipperyPete
EOG Dedicated
True but this one has the potential to kill 5 million people and another 25 million might need intensive care
For the record once he has at least 1 million ventillators ready to go, he has my blessing to reopen
We've done more tests in the last 8 days than S. Korea has all year.
When do we open. 622 deaths all year, 210 in NY isn't good enough? Time to live with the virus.
China reported 7 deaths today, who knows the real number, and they were on total lock down.
Chi_Archie
EOG Veteran
correct, but 25% of those that don't die or are only near death don't come into hospitals all at once.
nor do Doctors and nurses die from treating them. Nor do Hospitals go out of business due to them.
a much higher % of peple will die from things like heart attacks, bad asthma attacks, bad accidents, late detection of cancer in the very near term that would normally be saved, for sure But what steps we take now, will determine if people of all illnesses will die at a much higher rate for months, years, afterwards. There is no harder occupation to find a replacement for, than Doctors and Nurses. Again they are disproportionately old and much much much more at risk.
SlipperyPete
EOG Dedicated
This way of thinking why its gonna get waaayyy worse
1 million respirators, you know what, you talked me into 2 million respirators is my requirement
Do you guys think coronavirus can be eradicated?
A lot have it without symptoms. We aren't stopping it.
Chi_Archie
EOG Veteran
from 2010 and 2013. I'm sure its much higher now, out of about 950,000 practicing physicians.
Nationally, the number of active physicians over age 65 quadrupled from 50,993 in 1975 to 241,641 in 2013, according to the American Medical Association. The Federation of State Medical Boards found that the number of actively licensed doctors age 70 and up grew from 75,627 in 2010 to 94,969 last year.
Nationally, the number of active physicians over age 65 quadrupled from 50,993 in 1975 to 241,641 in 2013, according to the American Medical Association. The Federation of State Medical Boards found that the number of actively licensed doctors age 70 and up grew from 75,627 in 2010 to 94,969 last year.
Chi_Archie
EOG Veteran
no
but I think Corona can eradicate hospitals, future health insurance, and doctors
we need to be careful with the next steps
At 100 now. 53 in NY, 17 in NJ.
Chi_Archie
EOG Veteran
Chi_Archie
EOG Veteran
Any answers on how to protect our old doctors, nurses, and hospitals already ridled in debt?
SlipperyPete
EOG Dedicated
I would say cause a lot of people go into coding now.
Potentially more money and decent starting pay without a decade of schooling
cheapseats
EOG Master
Ho
How sorry is your bleeding - ass heart for all those who died last year due to normal flu.
LA got hit because of Mardi Gras.
