Dave Cokin, portrait of a fraud tout

#41
Re: Dave Cokin, portrait of a fraud tout

Most of the Cokin-bashing is surely justified. I'll chime in w/ this:

* I believe his recent-years MLB track record is pretty good. Surely he's + a good # of units (b4 fees) the L5 years.

* He studies the Coll Bask and Coll FB, especially small schools. At one point in time, I think he could beat these sports. Can he beat those sports anymore? Maybe not.

Does he tout out too many sports/games to keep the $$-train coming? Absolutely. I do think he has some intelligence, and his radio show is informative/entertaining to me.

Peace, out.
 

TheRef

EOG Addicted
#42
Re: Dave Cokin, portrait of a fraud tout

I think some is justified sure. Buy keep in mind the chosen career path has much to do with this. I've met many touts, some I like and others I would just as soon drop dead. I first met Cokin in 2002 thru a mutual friend. Have spent quite a bit of time around him too, and I like to guy. I also have several Hells Angels as close friends, and several cops, politicians, judges, ect. I judge people how they treat me not by what I've heard about them. I don't play all of Cokins plays, but do play some He admitted a few weeks ago that he was on one of the worst runs of his life, when is the last time you heard a "tout" say that?
 
#43
Re: Dave Cokin, portrait of a fraud tout

Great gig if you can sleep at night.

I'd be forced to shower every hour.
"Dave Cokin, the Cleanest Tout in Town," lol

Remember this Dallas episode where another character asked J.R. Ewing how he got to be so bad, or words to that effect.

He shot back without hesitation: "Once you give up scruples, the rest is easy."
 
#44
Re: Dave Cokin, portrait of a fraud tout

. . . . [Cokin] admitted a few weeks ago that he was on one of the worst runs of his life, when is the last time you heard a "tout" say that?
Several years back he said on the air that he actually did better with subscriptions when he was on a cold streak because folks figured he was "due."

Also years back, I was at the Stardust when John was interviewing Marc Lawrence on air during the Stardust Invitational. As I recall, John asked Lawrence what he did when they were on a cold streak. And he answered right back: "We step up the marketing." Struck me how direct and honest the answer was, reflecting that tout profitability was not a function of picking winners.

Hard to go broke underestimating the intelligence of large swaths of the population apparently.
 
#45
Re: Dave Cokin, portrait of a fraud tout

I think some is justified sure. Buy keep in mind the chosen career path has much to do with this. I've met many touts, some I like and others I would just as soon drop dead. I first met Cokin in 2002 thru a mutual friend. Have spent quite a bit of time around him too, and I like to guy. I also have several Hells Angels as close friends, and several cops, politicians, judges, ect. I judge people how they treat me not by what I've heard about them. I don't play all of Cokins plays, but do play some He admitted a few weeks ago that he was on one of the worst runs of his life, when is the last time you heard a "tout" say that?
Not doubting anything you say above isn't true. But that last part isn't out of whack for a tout on a losing streak to lead his followers to believe it will only get better from here on out.
 
#46
Re: Dave Cokin, portrait of a fraud tout

Not doubting anything you say above isn't true. But that last part isn't out of whack for a tout on a losing streak to lead his followers to believe it will only get better from here on out.
Yep its in the tout manifesto

Fez spiels it from time to time "Now is the perfect time to get onboard Im DUE to get hot"


Filthy,disgusting,vile business .
 

scrimmage

What you contemplate you imitate
#47
Re: Dave Cokin, portrait of a fraud tout

It's amazing that the "clients"[as a whole] never learn,and there's always a new crop of suckers
to sell faith,hope and dreams to...
 
#48
Re: Dave Cokin, portrait of a fraud tout

I think some is justified sure. Buy keep in mind the chosen career path has much to do with this. I've met many touts, some I like and others I would just as soon drop dead. I first met Cokin in 2002 thru a mutual friend. Have spent quite a bit of time around him too, and I like to guy. I also have several Hells Angels as close friends, and several cops, politicians, judges, ect. I judge people how they treat me not by what I've heard about them. I don't play all of Cokins plays, but do play some He admitted a few weeks ago that he was on one of the worst runs of his life, when is the last time you heard a "tout" say that?
Cokin seems to utter the "I'm on a cold streak" at least once a month. But why does he offer different plays at different sites at different prices?

Touts that hide plays and records are pieces of shit in my eyes. All these fucktards know what some random win streak they are on yet can't spit out their seasonal or monthly records.

Posting all your plays on your site without having the records combined is the lowest form of "honesty" these assholes use. But who has the time to go through months of plays to find out there record.

Vegasinsider has a great system for looking up records. Problem is they give plays graded against bullshit sportsbooks instead of against widely available lines.

Fuckers like cokin live their life with their head in the sand or up his ass when it comes to transperancy.
 
#49
Re: Dave Cokin, portrait of a fraud tout

It's amazing that the "clients"[as a whole] never learn,and there's always a new crop of suckers
to sell faith,hope and dreams to...
It's like kids turning 21 and able to drink in a bar legally for the first time. But here the age is more like 18 and as soon as they quality for some credit the credit card offers start hitting their mailbox. If they like sports the bug starts to hit them and the touts on a 12-2 run is easy money after losing money a couple weekend in a row to their buddies or a local bookie. At least that's how it pretty much started for me back in the late 70's.
 
#51
Re: Dave Cokin, portrait of a fraud tout

dave told me on the phone to win I would have to buy his $5000 baseball season picks.



:+clueless
 
#52
Re: Dave Cokin, portrait of a fraud tout

This doesn't really add up to me.

Narragansett is probably one of the wealthier areas in New England. Lots of million dollar houses on the beach and very few if any poor areas.

Why leave that rich, beautiful town to become a janitor in Las Vegas?

Is this his real name? I'll have to ask around about him from some of the old timers who would know if he was a bookie

Maybe Cokin was lying to me when he said he was from narraganset bay. If so, it would be one of maybe a

billion he's told during his lifetime. Tout and lie are synonyms.
 

pbovi

EOG Dedicated
#53
Re: Dave Cokin, portrait of a fraud tout

Cokin seems to utter the "I'm on a cold streak" at least once a month. But why does he offer different plays at different sites at different prices?

Touts that hide plays and records are pieces of shit in my eyes. All these fucktards know what some random win streak they are on yet can't spit out their seasonal or monthly records.

Posting all your plays on your site without having the records combined is the lowest form of "honesty" these assholes use. But who has the time to go through months of plays to find out there record.

Vegasinsider has a great system for looking up records. Problem is they give plays graded against bullshit sportsbooks instead of against widely available lines.

Fuckers like cokin live their life with their head in the sand or up his ass when it comes to transperancy.
Completely false. It doesn't matter who VI chooses, haters always going to have a problem with it, no matter how many they have eliminated.
 
#54
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I have to say...Bovi at least appears to be on the up and up. Other then Heim...I don't at least hear of too many bad mouthing his record or his claims to be false. And I don't even know what his documented record is. But I also don't follow him very close at all. But it begs the question......if he's good, why does he need to sell his picks?

maybe Groovin or someone in the know will come in and straighten me out on this.
 
#55
Re: Dave Cokin, portrait of a fraud tout

Completely false. It doesn't matter who VI chooses, haters always going to have a problem with it, no matter how many they have eliminated.
I was waiting for you to show your ass in this thread as soon as the VI system was mentioned. The first tout site I used was Sharp Sports Betting. They required a line be widely available, defined as available at a certain percentage of offshore/Vegas sportsbooks. I don't remember ever seeing a complaint about a line grading there. Sometimes a tout would quote a line that wasn't widely available (usually not out of malice, more likely the line had moved while they were releasing or simply an error), a poster would point it out and the admins would always correct it.

It is trivially simple to look at feed with a bunch of legitimate offshore and Vegas books, and pick a line that's available or better at, say, 6 out of 20 books. That gives the tout an advantage over a strict consensus line to account for the ability to line shop, while removing outliers from square books that quickly boot winners or simply don't pay.

The most obvious issues with VI's system --

1) They allow the use of lines from casinos that have closed for the night. There is zero argument this is a legitimate practice, and yet you've defended the VI system for years.

2) One of their prominent advertisers is sportsbook.ag and they include that book in the system. Sportsbook.ag has a long history of stiffing winners. They stiffed me enough that I could buy something like 230 of your season packages with that money. Even people who've won as little as $500 have reported taking 4 months to get paid. It is absurd to quote lines from a sportsbook that can just arbitrarily choose not to pay winners if they so please.

3) The use of books like 5Dimes reduced juice feed, where, the limit is only $500 in the first place, if you consistently bet there when they have the best line out of however many books VI is currently using, your limits will be quickly zapped to $50, and once you win maybe $20,000-$30,000, you'll be outright booted.

Hilariously, when I brought up this issue in the past, you repeatedly claimed "You said Pinnacle is fine but they have reduced juice and now you're objecting to 5Dimes reduced juice," which is a blatant indicator of your complete ignorance of betting markets. Pinnacle takes higher limits than almost anybody, and will often take 10x, 20x, or even 100x as much as 5Dimes reduced juice will. The higher the betting limit, the more likely the line is to be indicative of a widely available line. A line available at one book for AT MOST a $500 limit, and less for those who bet in the style of VI grading (consistently betting there when they have the best line) is NOT a widely available line.
 
#56
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I have to say...Bovi at least appears to be on the up and up. Other then Heim...I don't at least hear of too many bad mouthing his record or his claims to be false. And I don't even know what his documented record is.
The VI grading system inflates tout records by cherry picking the best line from a wide variety of books, including LV casinos closed for the night, stiff books like sportsbook.ag, and square books like 5Dimes. Until about 4 years ago, it was the best line out of about 40-45 books; now they've removed some of the worst offenders but there are still bad ones.

Bovi is +95.22u there over 3858 picks, which is the equivalent of picking 53.55% vs -110. When I audited Cokin's record, his lines were inflated by 1.5% vs CRIS and 1.2% vs Pinny, so Bovi being 1.17% over breakeven doesn't leave much room for error.

As I said in the previous post, the 5Dimes reduced juice limits are a maximum of $500, with many having lower limits. It looks like last year, Bovi charged $6 per NBA pick if you bought a long term package, $8 per NFL pick, and a little more than $7 per CFB pick. At $7 per pick for a $500 bettor, the breakeven rate rises from 52.38% to 53.03%.
 

pbovi

EOG Dedicated
#58
Re: Dave Cokin, portrait of a fraud tout

I was waiting for you to show your ass in this thread as soon as the VI system was mentioned. The first tout site I used was Sharp Sports Betting. They required a line be widely available, defined as available at a certain percentage of offshore/Vegas sportsbooks. I don't remember ever seeing a complaint about a line grading there. Sometimes a tout would quote a line that wasn't widely available (usually not out of malice, more likely the line had moved while they were releasing or simply an error), a poster would point it out and the admins would always correct it.

It is trivially simple to look at feed with a bunch of legitimate offshore and Vegas books, and pick a line that's available or better at, say, 6 out of 20 books. That gives the tout an advantage over a strict consensus line to account for the ability to line shop, while removing outliers from square books that quickly boot winners or simply don't pay.

The most obvious issues with VI's system --

1) They allow the use of lines from casinos that have closed for the night. There is zero argument this is a legitimate practice, and yet you've defended the VI system for years.

2) One of their prominent advertisers is sportsbook.ag and they include that book in the system. Sportsbook.ag has a long history of stiffing winners. They stiffed me enough that I could buy something like 230 of your season packages with that money. Even people who've won as little as $500 have reported taking 4 months to get paid. It is absurd to quote lines from a sportsbook that can just arbitrarily choose not to pay winners if they so please.

3) The use of books like 5Dimes reduced juice feed, where, the limit is only $500 in the first place, if you consistently bet there when they have the best line out of however many books VI is currently using, your limits will be quickly zapped to $50, and once you win maybe $20,000-$30,000, you'll be outright booted.

Hilariously, when I brought up this issue in the past, you repeatedly claimed "You said Pinnacle is fine but they have reduced juice and now you're objecting to 5Dimes reduced juice," which is a blatant indicator of your complete ignorance of betting markets. Pinnacle takes higher limits than almost anybody, and will often take 10x, 20x, or even 100x as much as 5Dimes reduced juice will. The higher the betting limit, the more likely the line is to be indicative of a widely available line. A line available at one book for AT MOST a $500 limit, and less for those who bet in the style of VI grading (consistently betting there when they have the best line) is NOT a widely available line.
On my way out and cannot read this let alone respond....but I will.
 
#59
Re: Dave Cokin, portrait of a fraud tout

The VI grading system inflates tout records by cherry picking the best line from a wide variety of books, including LV casinos closed for the night, stiff books like sportsbook.ag, and square books like 5Dimes. Until about 4 years ago, it was the best line out of about 40-45 books; now they've removed some of the worst offenders but there are still bad ones.

Bovi is +95.22u there over 3858 picks, which is the equivalent of picking 53.55% vs -110. When I audited Cokin's record, his lines were inflated by 1.5% vs CRIS and 1.2% vs Pinny, so Bovi being 1.17% over breakeven doesn't leave much room for error.

As I said in the previous post, the 5Dimes reduced juice limits are a maximum of $500, with many having lower limits. It looks like last year, Bovi charged $6 per NBA pick if you bought a long term package, $8 per NFL pick, and a little more than $7 per CFB pick. At $7 per pick for a $500 bettor, the breakeven rate rises from 52.38% to 53.03%.
I used to purchase picks when I was a kid. Like a lot of us did I'm sure. One of the things we always did was pool our money together and cut the cost of the services we purchased from. Was always at least one or 2 guys along for the ride and sometimes even more. And back then there were never guys betting more than $500 a game unless he was on a hot streak or was chasing. Which was normally the case. If you did your homework, ( which was difficult to do back then) you heard of a capper good in a sport and you stayed away from his other sports. We were pretty dumb back then but we were smart enough to know if you signed up for Mike Warrens turkey shoot, or Wayne Roots millionaire plays in football, we normally didn't follow him in basketball when the football season ended. Word would spread through the grapevine of a hot basketball capper and we would go that route. We would never win in the long run of course, but at least you were getting your action. In fact the ONLY time I ever won when paying for a service is when I first signed up for a line service exclusively. That was back before a guy like Billy Walters was manipulating numbers. We were playing steam back then and it was profitable. If you had a good line service...better than what your local was paying for......and we did, we always beat the line our local had. It was my first experience at winning this game. But shortly afterwords the steam no longer won as the numbers would shoot back and forth after you put in your plays with your guy. I realize the game has changed a lot. Am I wrong to think these touts are still targeting kids like I was at the time? And of course a smart guy like you would never pay for a guy like Paul Bovi or Fezzik these days with their plays being tracked by guys like computer Bob.

I only had had a few instances of paying for someone like Mike Warren or the like.......but back then........when we called the service, (Billy Cash out of Ny was one we used for hoops and he was actually pretty damn good back then, at least for a season or 2) we would have already called our book and got his line. Then call the tout and he would ask what lines we got on a short list of games and gives us plays accordingly if our line was favorable. And his record with us would be graded on those results.

Things have changed a lot since then. My main point being we split the cost a lot. Rarely would one guy go alone with a tout and not split the cost. So sometimes the fees were minimal.
 
#60
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Bovi, I have a story that you'll find funny. Maybe u can confirm.

I get a phone call from a Feist henchman one time. He somehow got my #, he starts to give me the hard-sell. Of course, I'm not giving him dick, but I will give him some rope to hang himself.

I tell him "Hey, I'm glad you called me. I have a question for u. Is it true that Feist is fuckin Roz Juarbe?"

http://jimfeist.com/handicappers/roz-juarbe/

Feist henchman says "Yeah, that's his wife."
 

unusualsusp5

EOG Senior Member
#61
Re: Dave Cokin, portrait of a fraud tout

I think some is justified sure. Buy keep in mind the chosen career path has much to do with this. I've met many touts, some I like and others I would just as soon drop dead. I first met Cokin in 2002 thru a mutual friend. Have spent quite a bit of time around him too, and I like to guy. I also have several Hells Angels as close friends, and several cops, politicians, judges, ect. I judge people how they treat me not by what I've heard about them. I don't play all of Cokins plays, but do play some He admitted a few weeks ago that he was on one of the worst runs of his life, when is the last time you heard a "tout" say that?
cops have no outside friends. and i doubt you're spending a pantload of time with politicians and judges either. "a bunch of hell's angels" also. you are very well rounded and popular in your fantasy world.
 

unusualsusp5

EOG Senior Member
#63
Re: Dave Cokin, portrait of a fraud tout

Hey penis breath unusualsusp5 go fuck yourself. Can you read backwoods boy? "Several" is NOT a bunch. Mind your own business jackoff!

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don't like being called out for insidious statements. ok, it was several "hells angels" don't see much difference there. what day of the week do you spend time with them. they are mainly weekend party boys. do you play pool with the cops on mondays, bowl with judges on tuesday's, help out the phony politicians hand out flyers on wed-friday. extremely weak comeback dirtball.
 

TheRef

EOG Addicted
#64
Re: Dave Cokin, portrait of a fraud tout

If you live in Vegas I'd be happy to meet you anywhere to explain it to you. My business is none of your needle dick.
 

unusualsusp5

EOG Senior Member
#65
Re: Dave Cokin, portrait of a fraud tout

If you live in Vegas I'd be happy to meet you anywhere to explain it to you. My business is none of your needle dick.
i'll admit i can't beat you up. i just don't understand why mentioning all these imaginary friends has to do with knowing (if you actually do) some fraudulent tout whom you seem to have been suckered in by. could care less about your "business". like to poke holes in ego-maniacs stories.
 

TheRef

EOG Addicted
#66
Re: Dave Cokin, portrait of a fraud tout

I'll just move on. But if I were you I would be careful piping up like you did/have. Have yourself a good day.
 

unusualsusp5

EOG Senior Member
#67
Re: Dave Cokin, portrait of a fraud tout

I'll just move on. But if I were you I would be careful piping up like you did/have. Have yourself a good day.
i think you should call up one of your judge friends who wants to get away from his aging wife and go fishing on lake mead so you two can catch up. i will heed your warning for now. impressed with the fact you live in henderson however. good move.
 
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pbovi

EOG Dedicated
#69
Re: Dave Cokin, portrait of a fraud tout

The VI grading system inflates tout records by cherry picking the best line from a wide variety of books, including LV casinos closed for the night, stiff books like sportsbook.ag, and square books like 5Dimes. Until about 4 years ago, it was the best line out of about 40-45 books; now they've removed some of the worst offenders but there are still bad ones.

Bovi is +95.22u there over 3858 picks, which is the equivalent of picking 53.55% vs -110. When I audited Cokin's record, his lines were inflated by 1.5% vs CRIS and 1.2% vs Pinny, so Bovi being 1.17% over breakeven doesn't leave much room for error.

As I said in the previous post, the 5Dimes reduced juice limits are a maximum of $500, with many having lower limits. It looks like last year, Bovi charged $6 per NBA pick if you bought a long term package, $8 per NFL pick, and a little more than $7 per CFB pick. At $7 per pick for a $500 bettor, the breakeven rate rises from 52.38% to 53.03%.
Still haven't carved out the time to respond but in the interim a question

On a first date, do you discuss touts?
 
#70
Re: Dave Cokin, portrait of a fraud tout

groovin is spot on here.

paul you have to leave that place. VI is horrible the way they choose their lines and at what time.
 

Heim

EOG Master
#71
Re: Dave Cokin, portrait of a fraud tout

Still haven't carved out the time to respond but in the interim a question

On a first date, do you discuss touts?
Paul, there's a rumor you actually used a WA number on Donaghy's pick site....is it true?
 

pbovi

EOG Dedicated
#72
Re: Dave Cokin, portrait of a fraud tout

I was waiting for you to show your ass in this thread as soon as the VI system was mentioned. The first tout site I used was Sharp Sports Betting. They required a line be widely available, defined as available at a certain percentage of offshore/Vegas sportsbooks. I don't remember ever seeing a complaint about a line grading there. Sometimes a tout would quote a line that wasn't widely available (usually not out of malice, more likely the line had moved while they were releasing or simply an error), a poster would point it out and the admins would always correct it.

It is trivially simple to look at feed with a bunch of legitimate offshore and Vegas books, and pick a line that's available or better at, say, 6 out of 20 books. That gives the tout an advantage over a strict consensus line to account for the ability to line shop, while removing outliers from square books that quickly boot winners or simply don't pay.

The most obvious issues with VI's system --

1) They allow the use of lines from casinos that have closed for the night. There is zero argument this is a legitimate practice, and yet you've defended the VI system for years.
2) One of their prominent advertisers is sportsbook.ag and they include that book in the system. Sportsbook.ag has a long history of stiffing winners. They stiffed me enough that I could buy something like 230 of your season packages with that money. Even people who've won as little as $500 have reported taking 4 months to get paid. It is absurd to quote lines from a sportsbook that can just arbitrarily choose not to pay winners if they so please.
3) The use of books like 5Dimes reduced juice feed, where, the limit is only $500 in the first place, if you consistently bet there when they have the best line out of however many books VI is currently using, your limits will be quickly zapped to $50, and once you win maybe $20,000-$30,000, you'll be outright booted.

Hilariously, when I brought up this issue in the past, you repeatedly claimed "You said Pinnacle is fine but they have reduced juice and now you're objecting to 5Dimes reduced juice," which is a blatant indicator of your complete ignorance of betting markets. Pinnacle takes higher limits than almost anybody, and will often take 10x, 20x, or even 100x as much as 5Dimes reduced juice will. The higher the betting limit, the more likely the line is to be indicative of a widely available line. A line available at one book for AT MOST a $500 limit, and less for those who bet in the style of VI grading (consistently betting there when they have the best line) is NOT a widely available line.
1) They allow the use of lines from casinos that have closed for the night. There is zero argument this is a legitimate practice, and yet you've defended the VI system for years. Fair criticism. I don't do it unless I know I will be out for the day and will not be able to post, and with that in mind I try not to post anything that has moved when I do. The few I posted this year did not move and did not have an effect on my record. I don't run the site.

2) One of their prominent advertisers is sportsbook.ag and they include that book in the system. Sportsbook.ag has a long history of stiffing winners. They stiffed me enough that I could buy something like 230 of your season packages with that money. Even people who've won as little as $500 have reported taking 4 months to get paid. It is absurd to quote lines from a sportsbook that can just arbitrarily choose not to pay winners if they so please. Sportsbook.ag is a sponsor. I have told you that. As such they are used with respect to grading. I have heard about some delays, but the discussion here is focused on record. Their lines made no difference in my wins/losses this year over 227 picks. Using them is a business decision. I am not saying it's right or wrong but we are discussing grading. That is the subject matter of the thread.

3) The use of books like 5Dimes reduced juice feed, where, the limit is only $500 in the first place, if you consistently bet there when they have the best line out of however many books VI is currently using, your limits will be quickly zapped to $50, and once you win maybe $20,000-$30,000, you'll be outright booted.

Hilariously, when I brought up this issue in the past, you repeatedly claimed "You said Pinnacle is fine but they have reduced juice and now you're objecting to 5Dimes reduced juice," which is a blatant indicator of your complete ignorance of betting markets. Pinnacle takes higher limits than almost anybody, and will often take 10x, 20x, or even 100x as much as 5Dimes reduced juice will. The higher the betting limit, the more likely the line is to be indicative of a widely available line. A line available at one book for AT MOST a $500 limit, and less for those who bet in the style of VI grading (consistently betting there when they have the best line) is NOT a widely available line.
5 dimes accommodates US action. Pinnacle does not. You were told this repeatedly when they made the decision to drop Pinnacle, which VI previously used, yet you keep bringing it up

5 dimes is used by many people on this site who reside in the US. Pinnacle is not. People that buy picks do not subscribe to the standards of pros like yourself. That is a pretty simple phenomenon. As far as reduced juice, it is irrelevant as a means to evaluating the ATS record of the capper. The software goes in and pulls the best possible line/juice. This has been explained to you before. People that buy picks are not likely to have their limits reduced. Is that a logical statement?

VI is far more transparent than any other gambling information site out there. The majority of the books they use are solid Vegas based books or offshores that take US action. They post and time stamp all plays while referencing the book. You complained about that before they initiated that policy. They release all plays 20 minutes after the start time for transparency. They display the YTD and lifetime capper record for better or worse.

My NBA is hitting at 55.5% over the last 8 years on 1338 picks vs 53% the first 3. Guess I am headed in the right direction. 3 #1's on VI the last 8 years.

As for you Hymen, you really should stay silent after getting on EOG radio and proclaiming the Warriors were undervalued at 10-1 when they were up 2-0. I have owned you, previously on the Steeler Brown move from 7 to 10 that you insisted would not only to end up with your tail between your legs, and this year in the NBA playoffs, or did you forget insulting me early on only to have me hit close to 70% thereafter on the last 36 or so games.

JK can we get a clip of Hymen's Warrior proclamation right here? Priceless!


 

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
#73
Re: Dave Cokin, portrait of a fraud tout

I didn't like when someone referred to me as Joan Kelly so I'll refrain from laughing at Paul's nickname for Heim.

In the words of the late philosopher Rodney King, "Can't we all get along?"
 

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
#75
Re: Dave Cokin, portrait of a fraud tout

Edward Golden (aka RAS) seems to conduct business the right way.

More on the topic later tonight.
 
#76
Re: Dave Cokin, portrait of a fraud tout

"It's against service policy . . . to give out endorsements."

-- Bond, James . . . , Never Say Never Again (while held at gunpoint by Fatima Blush)
 

John Kelly

Born Gambler
Staff member
#77
Re: Dave Cokin, portrait of a fraud tout

As more sophisticated sports betting information hits the market, the need to buy "expert advice" should decrease.

That's my wish anyway.
 

Heim

EOG Master
#80
Re: Dave Cokin, portrait of a fraud tout

I'll give Bovi this. The release numbers at VI give a subscriber a chance to bet at that number. The small sample I saw at Donaghy's or Feist's site were the best number of the day which was usually the opener. And naturally totals were more volatile than sides. Again the 800 pound elephant in the room is why a seemingly successful NBA tout has such dubious associations with the likes of Donaghy & Feist.
 
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